Anyone using PMax yet?
- 06-20-2006, 06:32 PM
- 06-20-2006, 06:52 PM
thats right that should happen.
I got stronger.
but I'm gonna say this again, everyone is different.
I had a friend take a gram of test for 4 weeks and the dude did not improve in any aspect of lifting whatsoever.
now that was odd.
06-20-2006, 07:43 PM
06-21-2006, 03:36 PM
06-22-2006, 08:06 PM
day 8, i went back down 20mg, it was making my heart work too hard. no strength or size but i was able to workout without being so tired as usual.
06-22-2006, 08:13 PM
all I can say is DAMN!
Hey, if you dont get results PM me.
I'll work something out to get you huge.
At this point we're here scratching our heads .
06-22-2006, 08:36 PM
Days 1-4 (20mg) pmax
Day 5,6 (30mg) pmax
Day 7 (20mg) pmax
Day 8 (30mg) pmax
that's what i've done so far
been consuming a lot of protein, i eat all my regular meals, i eat all day. no junk food (i hate junk food). to make sure i get enough protein i consume 150g-200g of just whey protein powder alone. i eat like 3500-4000 calories a day. my diet isn't very strict.
i'm 5ft 7in
150-155 lbs (my weight flucuates a lot in between there)
i can go to bed weighing 155 and wake up at 150, it's always been like that. not exactly sure about my bodyfat percentage but it's like 20-26%
06-23-2006, 12:27 AM
06-23-2006, 12:54 AM
Originally Posted by Prometabolix
Oh, trust me I only use the scale to assist my overall judgement of how my body is responding. I also take measurements and I look at my body all the time (a bit narcissistic, I know lol). I also keep a log of my workouts here is a sample for you:
db bench- 45, 55,55,50x8
db bench- 50,60,60,55x8
5-14-06 (1st day of cycle)
5-28-06 (2nd week of cycle)
db bench-60,65,60x7 (failure),55x8
6-11-06 (4th week of cycle)
db bench- 60,65,60,60x8
as you can see my strength hasn't really improved any more that it normally would have. I'm steadily increasing but I just haven't seen a real improvement.
I also have my measurements and weight in an excel file that I can post if you want to take a look. It goes back to last august but there are a few holes in it where I was just posting everthing in the private clients section instead of in excel.
06-23-2006, 01:55 AM
06-23-2006, 11:05 AM
so your only going to rest 3weeks? that kind of defeats the purposed of the PCT. PCT is to get your test levels back up to normal if you jump right back on cycle then your shutting them down as soon as they return to normal. so you kind of waisted the 3 weeks bringing them back to normal also that only gives your liver a 3 week rest p-max and h-max are both 17aa methyls. If you got good results you should concentrate on keeping them and take a total of 6 weeks off at least.Originally Posted by JackedUp
06-23-2006, 01:34 PM
looks like to me you are taking too long of a rest in between workouts .
there is such a thing as under training.
06-23-2006, 02:20 PM
I'd have to agree with pro there it looks like your only doing 1 chest work-out every two weeks is that correct?Originally Posted by Prometabolix
06-23-2006, 03:11 PM
06-23-2006, 03:41 PM
I can give you a chest routine.
looks like your nervous system has aclimated to your workout.
is that how you spell aclimated?
06-23-2006, 04:55 PM
day 9, i'm finally passed 155 border, i'm at 156 but it might not be muscle, i ate a whole pot of rice last night and that's what happened. my weight flucuates 150-155 all the time so who knows if this lasts, i can't see any difference, no size
06-23-2006, 06:23 PM
Originally Posted by Prometabolix
06-23-2006, 06:44 PM
06-23-2006, 06:48 PM
06-23-2006, 07:30 PM
Oops perhaps I should have elaborated on my routine more. I go to the gym 5x per week. I use a two week rotation with tut training and I actually do chest 2x per week. I just used a specific exercise so I could give a true comparison. Furthermore, I really just grabbed some dates out of my log at random except for the on cycle dates.
Using another 2 week rotation I have gone up to 12 weeks without acclimating to my routine. And I am still gaining strength, just not as fast as I would have expected. I still feel as though I were gaining everthing naturally at this point.
06-23-2006, 07:38 PM
06-24-2006, 02:03 AM
i think it might be working now!
i think there is some shrinkage occuring. tonight i worked out and i wasn't even working my biceps but my biceps were so pumped like they were gonna explode.
06-24-2006, 05:26 PM
my weight went up to 159 before bed last night and then 156 again in the morning. day 10. not bad, it seems to be working i think. do you think it's too soon for taking the hmax yet? i was gonna wait until after the 2nd week to start using 25mg of hmax with 10/20mg of pmax and then 50mg of hmax for week 4
06-24-2006, 10:59 PM
Originally Posted by AndroAnarchy
so yesterday you didnt' see any difference in size but by night time you were up 3lbs and saying not bad? You really need to concentrate on diet and your work out before even thinking of adding in the hmax. I noticed you were not sure why you go to bed heavier than you wake up EVERYBODYS weight fluctuates between nighttime and morning because your body is constantly loosing fluid through out the night.
Dont' take this as a flame because I am really trying to help you and don't want you to mess up your body. It looks like you are turning to pmax and hmax as a quick fix. You posted your diet is very strict and your stats were 155 at 5ft 7in with 20-26% bf at the lowest of your estimates 20% you are carrying 31 POUNDS of FAT. That is not a strict diet at all. Do you know your BMR, you daily caloric expenditure including your activities weights, cardio, etc. What is your macro breakdown. How long were you training for before going on this cycle etc. Since your not gaining there has got to be some other underlying issues.
06-24-2006, 11:34 PM
I know that i'm not stupid. lol.
I dont know if that' accurate, i have no idea what my body fat percentage is. It was a guess. My diet is fine. I'm not doing anything wrong.
I said not bad because it's got me higher weight than before. I doubt the weight will even stay. But My weight has been able to flucuate higher than 155.
06-24-2006, 11:36 PM
Oh and I've been lifting weights for 5 years. I started serious bodybuilding 9 months ago at 140 lbs and 11 inch arms.
06-25-2006, 09:43 AM
Just an update on my cycle- week 2 is over and I am up 3lbs, strength is up a bit and muscles are slightly fuller. Now is when the gains should kick in so next week will be the "moment of truth" on a side note though I am 90% sure this is legit.
06-25-2006, 01:13 PM
06-25-2006, 03:34 PM
06-25-2006, 06:39 PM
Originally Posted by AndroAnarchy
Yes I understand 5 years but you said lifting seriouslly for 9 months and your age shows 22 so that means most of those 5 years you were under 21 and your body natural test levels even your growth plates etc were all still developing.
You also j posted that if you had known halo was used for cutting you wouldn't of gotten it. If you didn't know what Halo was used for why did you buy it?? How much research have you done before jumping on a cycle?? Just by you saying that it makes it seem like you haven't given this alot of thought.
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