Lets start with orange triad started taking it about 2 months ago and absolutly love it. It's a staple for me. Has all the right ingredients for the avid lifter. Love that it has the joint complex cuts down on the amount of pills i have to choke down each day!

This was my first try of white flood and have used it a couple of times and like it. Stim effect is good not to strong and it gives a decent pump. I add mono to it for an added kick. No crash at the end which is always nice.

Both products at this price are well worth a try.