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I'm curious, does working legs raise your natural test level or rob your other muscles of fuel?
so not true. as an ecto, breaking the caloric barrier is an absolute must, and has to be at extreme levels for "normal" gains. additionally, an ecto must work out differently than other lifters - having huge amounts of endurance oriented muscles means you can not only train differently, but you should, to maximize your gains.There is no such thing as a hard gainer.. only those who are too lazyy to work hard enough, do not eat right, and do not take enough vitamin "S" to make the gains they dream of
although I mostly agree with the legs releasing GH and testosterone acutely,so not true. as an ecto, breaking the caloric barrier is an absolute must, and has to be at extreme levels for "normal" gains. additionally, an ecto must work out differently than other lifters - having huge amounts of endurance oriented muscles means you can not only train differently, but you should, to maximize your gains.
OP, working your legs is essential to gaining serious size, not only because your body attempts to grow proportionately, but because of the extreme testosterone release from doing exercises like squats and deadlifts.
total test release from upper body is very slight when compared to legs - 8% from bench, vs the 15% from deadlifts, or 20% from squats. exercises with even smaller muscles (biceps, shoulders, etc) would be even lower. i think you would still have some leg growth, even though it may be very minor (1/2 inch quad gain in a year of working upper body aggressively). no growth whatsoever would surprise me a lot. maybe this should be the next harvard studytraining my upper body sure didn't seem to make my legs any bigger.
total test release from upper body is very slight when compared to legs - 8% from bench, vs the 15% from deadlifts, or 20% from squats. exercises with even smaller muscles (biceps, shoulders, etc) would be even lower. i think you would still have some leg growth, even though it may be very minor (1/2 inch quad gain in a year of working upper body aggressively). no growth whatsoever would surprise me a lot. maybe this should be the next harvard study
Wow fml guess I just don't "work hard enough". What an ignorant statement.There is no such thing as a hard gainer.. only those who are too lazyy to work hard enough, do not eat right, and do not take enough vitamin "S" to make the gains they dream of
so not true. as an ecto, breaking the caloric barrier is an absolute must, and has to be at extreme levels for "normal" gains. additionally, an ecto must work out differently than other lifters - having huge amounts of endurance oriented muscles means you can not only train differently, but you should, to maximize your gains.
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I do not disagree that we all have to approach building our bodies in a different manner. My point is people like to make excuses like "I am a hard gainer"... whaaaa!!! get your diet straight, get a solid workout log with difficult lifts (like you referenced in the same post) and just get after it! Our society has become so lazy looking for the next miracle to hit the market when the reality is no amount of supplements will compensate for a solid diet and intense training regime. Most of the "hard gainers" I see really just don't want to eat enough to feed their muscles because they think they won't look like the abercrombie model they so aspire to be. That is just my experience from training MANY hard gainers...
There is some truth here and I can relate. I'm not a trainer. I want to gain lean mass but usually fail to eat enough... Not because I want to look like a skinny model... now that I think about it I don't know why I don't eat more!I do not disagree that we all have to approach building our bodies in a different manner. My point is people like to make excuses like "I am a hard gainer"... whaaaa!!! get your diet straight, get a solid workout log with difficult lifts (like you referenced in the same post) and just get after it! Our society has become so lazy looking for the next miracle to hit the market when the reality is no amount of supplements will compensate for a solid diet and intense training regime. Most of the "hard gainers" I see really just don't want to eat enough to feed their muscles because they think they won't look like the abercrombie model they so aspire to be. That is just my experience from training MANY hard gainers...so not true. as an ecto, breaking the caloric barrier is an absolute must, and has to be at extreme levels for "normal" gains. additionally, an ecto must work out differently than other lifters - having huge amounts of endurance oriented muscles means you can not only train differently, but you should, to maximize your gains.
excellent. In otherwards, remove the tampon.Just to further my point, this is an article from T-nation today... enjoy
Five Reasons You're Still Skinny
by Mike Robertson
Let's clear this up right away: you are not a "hardgainer." Please stop using the term; it's so self-defeating. And let's face it, if you call yourself a hardgainer it's pretty fair to say you've given up on yourself. At the very least you've already assumed that's it going to be ridiculously hard for you to put on any appreciable size. Bull****.
Sure, some of us didn't exactly hit the genetic lottery, but to get all Tony Robbins on you for a second, a lot of achieving your goals starts with your mindset.
If you truly believe you can get bigger, chances are you'll figure out ways to do it.
So let's stop with the excuses and go over why you're still small.
to continue, to to t-nation . com
well, i spend way to much on food.As hard as you skinny guys have to work to put on some mass.. us naturally bulky guys have to work to get ripped. Personally, I would rather have the soloution of eating more then eating less....
Well, if you look right to the most caloric things that you can eat and don't care much of getting some fat there are plenty of good and cheap food that you can use, but you are right that proportionaly to a bulky guy we have to spent more money in more quantity of food then they have.well, i spend way to much on food.
There is no such thing as a hard gainer.. only those who are too lazyy to work hard enough, do not eat right, and do not take enough vitamin "S" to make the gains they dream of
There is no such thing as a hard gainer. Only lazy and pathetic slobs. If you want a good physique, upper and lower, then STFU and squat.Wow fml guess I just don't "work hard enough". What an ignorant statement.
Ive heard this arguement to many times....Im telling you, You dont know until your a real Hardgainer. I who bust his ass 5 days a week in gym, eats double the cals most eat just for maints.There is no such thing as a hard gainer.. only those who are too lazyy to work hard enough, do not eat right, and do not take enough vitamin "S" to make the gains they dream of
Hardgainer just means fast metabolism. So yes it's ignornat statemnt because its harder to put on mass. So in essence your saying genetics have nothing to do with metabolic rate. Now, I agree with the fact that people need not be pussies and say oh **** I'm a hardgainer ill never be big, but hardgainers do exist however you would like to phrase it. I know how to gain weight I was 120lbs same height sophmore year of college and I started eating like a pig and lifting and I'm 185 right now at 8.5% BF. I've been as high as 200 but I was more fat than muscle.There is no such thing as a hard gainer. Only lazy and pathetic slobs. If you want a good physique, upper and lower, then STFU and squat.
GICH!
This man speaks truth.so not true. as an ecto, breaking the caloric barrier is an absolute must, and has to be at extreme levels for "normal" gains. additionally, an ecto must work out differently than other lifters - having huge amounts of endurance oriented muscles means you can not only train differently, but you should, to maximize your gains.
OP, working your legs is essential to gaining serious size, not only because your body attempts to grow proportionately, but because of the extreme testosterone release from doing exercises like squats and deadlifts.
Go to the store. Buy a bottle of Extra Virgin Olive Oil. Periodically take shots from it throughout the day. "Hardgainer" no more.someone give me money so I can eat properly. I've always considered myself a "hardgainer" starting lifting at the weight of 127lbs and two years later only weigh 140lbs. This is after busting my a$$ in the gym and eating as much as possible for a broke college student.
Im no trainer or expert but, to answer the OP I used to never do legs. Right when I started lifting legs i gained about 5 pounds in a few months. your legs are huge muscles dont forget about them. they suck at first, but once you get them stronger its so fun to put up big weight.
shhhhhhhhhhhh..........someone give me money so I can eat properly. I've always considered myself a "hardgainer" starting lifting at the weight of 127lbs and two years later only weigh 140lbs. This is after busting my a$$ in the gym and eating as much as possible for a broke college student.
Im no trainer or expert but, to answer the OP I used to never do legs. Right when I started lifting legs i gained about 5 pounds in a few months. your legs are huge muscles dont forget about them. they suck at first, but once you get them stronger its so fun to put up big weight.
does the olive oil thing really work?? im down for any way to up the calories without burning a hole in my wallet.Go to the store. Buy a bottle of Extra Virgin Olive Oil. Periodically take shots from it throughout the day. "Hardgainer" no more.
Why wouldn't it? It's easy, compact, portable calories that promotes healthy hormone levels and won't cause an insulin spike. I do oil "shots" on a regular basis when I need quick cals and it certainly helps when I'm trying to gain.does the olive oil thing really work?? im down for any way to up the calories without burning a hole in my wallet.
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