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    I just wrote a big long thread then i erased it, all i am going to say if you really beleive all the drugs these guys are getting comes from a doc, you are pretty naive.


    Easy, i know quite a few docs who prescribe that stuff as well, do you get it from a compounding pharmacy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yep sure is
    The reason i ask is because i think those uses are off label. I was under the impression the only drugs approved for anything in this country anymore was anavar and test, with possibly drol back in the mix. I may be wrong, and if you have any info pertaining to those drugs being approved for those conditions i would like to read it, i just did a quick google but could not find what i was looking for.
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    There are a couple of studies on deca and arthritis in the elderly, but i'm not sure about approval either by the FDA or the AMA. The winstrol I have no idea, just noticed it on their monthly specials one time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    There are a couple of studies on deca and arthritis in the elderly, but i'm not sure about approval either by the FDA or the AMA. The winstrol I have no idea, just noticed it on their monthly specials one time.
    first JCP makes you look like a tool for lying about the drugs your doctor pedals and then...

    earlier you mentioned those drugs were used for those conditions and now you say you have no idea. Thanks for contributing to the thread bro.

    GTFO!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    first JCP makes you look like a tool for lying about the drugs your doctor pedals and then...

    earlier you mentioned those drugs were used for those conditions and now you say you have no idea. Thanks for contributing to the thread bro.

    GTFO!
    Are you retarded? I didn't lie about anything, and he asked specifically for information related to APPROVAL of those items for those uses. Plenty of items are prescribed for off-label uses, a good example is viagra or cialis for high blood pressure. That doesn't mean there is any official approval of those uses. Get a grip.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Are you retarded? I didn't lie about anything, and he asked specifically for information related to APPROVAL of those items for those uses. Plenty of items are prescribed for off-label uses, a good example is viagra or cialis for high blood pressure. That doesn't mean there is any official approval of those uses. Get a grip.
    I am aware of what off label uses are.

    However your story of your doctor prescribing deca for arthritis and winny for TRT doesnt pan out man just as JCP mentioned before. Using viagra for high blood pressure is one thing but deca for arthritis is another.

    As i said before GTFO rep!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    I am aware of what off label uses are.

    However your story of your doctor prescribing deca for arthritis and winny for TRT doesnt pan out man just as JCP mentioned before. Using viagra for high blood pressure is one thing but deca for arthritis is another.

    As i said before GTFO rep!
    i guess this is proof you are either retarded, or just can't read, as jcp also said he knows doctors who prescibe them. so why don't you gtfo moron
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    I'm just touchy when someone calls me a liar. Personal ethics thing
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    I wasn't trying to prove anybody wrong, i was just looking for info on if those drugs were approved for those uses in this country. You are pretty much protected, but i would not want to be explaining to a federal prosecutor why i prescribe steroids as off label meds to 50 guys.
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    Yeah I think overall as funny as it sounds the approval is more an issue for whether insurance pays for it or not than anything else. My particular TRT doc is partr of a longevity clinic so they sort of push the boundary
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    It would be interesting to see a cycle of one of the top pros. It would be pretty scary to see how much test, slin, HGH etc these guys are abusing!
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    There is a link 2/3 of the page up to a BB.com thread where a IFBB pro shows one of his cycles for a past contest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    There is a link 2/3 of the page up to a BB.com thread where a IFBB pro shows one of his cycles for a past contest.
    Oh, never saw that - Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMG760 View Post
    There is a link 2/3 of the page up to a BB.com thread where a IFBB pro shows one of his cycles for a past contest.
    One of the message boards i was on many years ago had a guy who won the Jr. USA's, and he posted his. I can't remember if he put it on the open board or not. One thing that stuck out in my mind was it was alot of slin, even during pre contest dieting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    You may remember Hidetada Yamagishi got busted for steroids, and he's top 10 at the Olympia.
    Yeah but the top 10 prob deal and distribute for the xtra cash on top of using....sponsors dont come calling til later if at all...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jcp2 View Post
    One of the message boards i was on many years ago had a guy who won the Jr. USA's, and he posted his. I can't remember if he put it on the open board or not. One thing that stuck out in my mind was it was alot of slin, even during pre contest dieting.
    and you have to keep in mind that also SOMETIMES the pros just say and post **** like that so people talk about them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    and you have to keep in mind that also SOMETIMES the pros just say and post **** like that so people talk about them.
    No, it was actually very detailed. He was not bull****ting. I know what you mean though. You would be surprised what some powerlifters take, i know my jaw dropped when a few people told me the amount of test they would run.
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    Titus whatever his last name was, was notorious for taking huge amounts of test.

    I personally see that as kinda stupid, as your body is just gonna get used to that much and then need that much or more in the future.

    And yea, most pro's use ungodly amounts of slin it seems. enough to make you a diabetic. There is a Jay Cutler Vid where he opens his fridge and there is like 5-6 vials of the stuff just chillin next to his condements. lol.
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    There are a few that train in a different country that Steriods are not illegal in. 8 week cycle would be an in country training session. Location means everything.
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    Thanks for all the replies.....hard to draw any real conclusions from a forum since everybody has a different opinion. It'd be nice if we had legitimate claims from the pro's or those with direct contact with them. Their comments would be respected 10 fold from us peons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF210 View Post
    Thanks for all the replies.....hard to draw any real conclusions from a forum since everybody has a different opinion. It'd be nice if we had legitimate claims from the pro's or those with direct contact with them. Their comments would be respected 10 fold from us peons.
    I know some people who have trained with pros regularly, and one who knows many of them very personally, but i would never ask them too many questions about drugs, you end up sounding like an *******. The topci comes up, but not the point where i am going to ask someone to lay out what they or one of their friends took for the nationals or the olympia. It just makes you sound like a jerkoff. I have seen guys on this board who probably have stories they could type for hours, but why would they put that **** up on the internet.


    All i will say is the more you are at gyms with competitors and become friendly with everyone, the more you will learn about what really goes on. You may never know exactly, but as you become friends with people the conversations will happen, especially if you know what you are talking about.
    That is why i laugh at some of the things i have heard Tom Prince say. One thing i have learned, the more outraeous **** i have heard has more truth to it than i had ever imagined, and not just about drugs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Not true. deca can be prescribed for arthritis and joint issues, winstrol can be prescribed also for TRT if someone has high SHBG.
    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    deca can be presrcibed for arthritis? I have not heard that one but seriously talk about a red flag. That would not make sense.

    Also I have not heard of winny, a low adrogenic steroid, being used for
    T(testosterone)RT, it simply doesn't make sense.

    So a 300 pound dude walks into a doctor and says, "i need some deca for my arthritis, some winny for my TRT, also some T for my TRT, some HGH for my terminal illness and also some HCG so my balls dont shut down. Oh yeah and hook me up with some nolva too, thanks. And did i mention I would need enough for about 5 people?" No sane legal doctor will do that. It is black market.
    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Thats a very nice opinion, but just because you believe it doesn't mean its true. I on the other hand have a TRT doctor who does prescribe those items if your medical history and blood tests show the need and stay in reasonable levels.
    Quote Originally Posted by jcp2 View Post
    I just wrote a big long thread then i erased it, all i am going to say if you really beleive all the drugs these guys are getting comes from a doc, you are pretty naive.


    Easy, i know quite a few docs who prescribe that stuff as well, do you get it from a compounding pharmacy?
    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yep sure is
    Quote Originally Posted by jcp2 View Post
    The reason i ask is because i think those uses are off label. I was under the impression the only drugs approved for anything in this country anymore was anavar and test, with possibly drol back in the mix. I may be wrong, and if you have any info pertaining to those drugs being approved for those conditions i would like to read it, i just did a quick google but could not find what i was looking for.
    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    There are a couple of studies on deca and arthritis in the elderly, but i'm not sure about approval either by the FDA or the AMA. The winstrol I have no idea, just noticed it on their monthly specials one time.
    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    first JCP makes you look like a tool for lying about the drugs your doctor pedals and then...

    earlier you mentioned those drugs were used for those conditions and now you say you have no idea. Thanks for contributing to the thread bro.

    GTFO!
    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Are you retarded? I didn't lie about anything, and he asked specifically for information related to APPROVAL of those items for those uses. Plenty of items are prescribed for off-label uses, a good example is viagra or cialis for high blood pressure. That doesn't mean there is any official approval of those uses. Get a grip.
    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    I am aware of what off label uses are.

    However your story of your doctor prescribing deca for arthritis and winny for TRT doesnt pan out man just as JCP mentioned before. Using viagra for high blood pressure is one thing but deca for arthritis is another.

    As i said before GTFO rep!
    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    i guess this is proof you are either retarded, or just can't read, as jcp also said he knows doctors who prescibe them. so why don't you gtfo moron
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    Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    I'm just touchy when someone calls me a liar. Personal ethics thing


    i just have to say this cracked me up....you handled that beautifully easy.....dont be hatin!
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF210 View Post
    Thanks for all the replies.....hard to draw any real conclusions from a forum since everybody has a different opinion. It'd be nice if we had legitimate claims from the pro's or those with direct contact with them. Their comments would be respected 10 fold from us peons.
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    Anyone who is naive enough to actually think pros get their supplies from a prescription is dreaming. That may be true for a small percentage of their total intake, but having personally known several pro level competitors, I'm CERTAIN that they get their stuff from sources other than doctors. Plus, I don't think most people have a clue as to the MASSIVE amounts (grams) of stuff they take a week.
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    alot of athelets go out of country for so called "vacations" loll
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    I have a friend who competes, he orders his stuff from an oversea pharmacy. Another guy i know, he didnt compete, just sold it. But he made his own it was pretty legit too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF210 View Post
    Seriously, which video? I didn't notice the oil. (I haven't seen Jay to Z yet though)
    I know that post is old but here u go

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    GOOD stuff
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    I know for a fact that some of the top pros are using ugls and homebrew...but i would imagine that their are some who use pharma grade. Not that their is really a diffrence if you know a solid connect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MF210 View Post
    Anybody who who follows the sport obviously knows it requires steroid use.

    Do the pro's use black market products or have doc prescribed stuff? Or a little of both. I follow the sport very close, but certain info like this isn't discussed.

    Support to your response is appreciated (aka, don't post - it is dr. prescribed (-: or .....they use black market (-;

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    I heard that some of them train in countries where it is legal. So they do as much as their training over there and then come back closer to show time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDarkHalf View Post
    I heard that some of them train in countries where it is legal. So they do as much as their training over there and then come back closer to show time.
    This is true for some... I am pretty sure Rich Gaspari trained in Spain for a while for this reason.
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    alot of pro athletes various sports go on "vacations" while in their off season.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by dynomite View Post
    I am aware of what off label uses are.

    However your story of your doctor prescribing deca for arthritis and winny for TRT doesnt pan out man just as JCP mentioned before. Using viagra for high blood pressure is one thing but deca for arthritis is another.

    As i said before GTFO rep!

    My anti-aging clinic prescribed me 300mg/week of deca for chronic lower back pain Easy is speaking the truth. Deca is obviously great on joints/cartilage, a lot of clinics prescribe it for TRT patients who have a history of chronic pain. It's obviously an off-label use and fairly safe for trt patients since they are already shut down or on hcg.
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    lol no doctor would prescribe Jay Cutler insulin.
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    jay's wife is a nurse and any here notices alot of pros went to middle east for "guest appearance" it is not that hard to pick up and mail some stuff from there. IMO i belive they r gettin human grade finest (top lvl pros) but ....... it is not prescribed. if i went to mexico U BETEER BELIVE! i would ship myself some nice goods.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jasen View Post
    jay's wife is a nurse and any here notices alot of pros went to middle east for "guest appearance" it is not that hard to pick up and mail some stuff from there. IMO i belive they r gettin human grade finest (top lvl pros) but ....... it is not prescribed. if i went to mexico U BETEER BELIVE! i would ship myself some nice goods.
    You don't have to go to a foreign country to get human grade steroids. It might be financially smarter to do so if you are buying a huge quantity, but it is by no means unavailable here in the US. I will say that most of the human grade that is available is middle eastern though... you just don't have to go there to get a hold of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by birch View Post
    Anyone who is naive enough to actually think pros get their supplies from a prescription is dreaming. That may be true for a small percentage of their total intake, but having personally known several pro level competitors, I'm CERTAIN that they get their stuff from sources other than doctors. Plus, I don't think most people have a clue as to the MASSIVE amounts (grams) of stuff they take a week.
    That's how I feel when reading the last sentence. Anyone with common sense will quickly realize the grotesque physiques of today's BB cannot be realized with over the top consumption of roids.

    So what make you think most people don't have clue? Actually, most have.
  

  
 

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