dermacrine equivalent to mgs of test?
- 05-06-2008, 08:06 AM
- 05-07-2008, 12:29 AM
I wouldn’t go over 5 pumps a day or you risk getting too high of DHEA levels which would likely just give you anxiety, restlessness and maybe some estrogenic sides.
- 05-07-2008, 12:39 AM
05-07-2008, 06:41 AM
I am contemplating using dermacrine to replace 4-ad in a 1-test/4-ad cycle, as I seem to be having a hard time locating bulk 4-ad powder recently. Would 4-5 pumps of dermacrine be sufficient to counter the lethargy produced by 1-test?
05-07-2008, 01:20 PM
05-07-2008, 01:44 PM
05-07-2008, 03:06 PM
Im doing it now at 5 a day, and it is doing my body very well...Im not lifting cars or anything, lol, but it is delivering as promised.
05-09-2008, 07:28 PM
05-10-2008, 11:52 AM
I just ordered some dermacrine to see how it compares to the compounded Test gel that I was using for TRT.
05-13-2008, 06:53 PM
05-13-2008, 09:12 PM
I did 4 pumps and couldn't find anyplace fee to rub the 5th on It smells exactly like the compounded test cream.
05-16-2008, 09:09 AM
05-16-2008, 01:32 PM
05-16-2008, 02:43 PM
05-21-2008, 08:08 PM
so what is exactly the difference between dermacrine and sustain alpha, which one rejuvenates hormones better, im guessing sustain alpha after reading yalls pct guide, i really like that, helped me out alot on my knowledge stand point, im putting in an order in for it tomorow
05-21-2008, 08:18 PM
05-21-2008, 08:23 PM
05-21-2008, 08:39 PM
05-27-2008, 05:31 PM
Dermacrine should not be used in PCT? I hear a lot of people using DHEA in PCT... this has probably been addressed, but can Dermacrine be used in PCT? I know Sustain Alpha is recommended... but I'm curious about Dermacrine.
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05-27-2008, 07:21 PM
07-13-2008, 10:20 AM
150 mgs seems like a descent amount.. would this be enough to pack on some new muscle??
07-13-2008, 10:01 PM
07-13-2008, 10:06 PM
I am finishing my first 4 weeks of an 8 week run of Dermacrine/Phyto-Test. Bottom line is this, I am 52. I break my ass in the gym, eat right and take care of myself. Still by the middle of the day, I am dragging my ass at work, get grumpy, actually teared up at a chick flick the wife dragged me too . When the doc ran my blood it showed I was in the bottom 1/3 of the range and my HGH was non-existent. He has been refusing HRT because "You are just getting older" and told me to take B12 for energy. (Hey doc, I just told you I'm taking ADAM multi-vitamin and am getting 3Xs the recommended B12 already) Now, I can deal with getting older, but when your system is all out of whack, something needs to be done.
All I can say is that the Dermacrine/Phyto-T has delivered like promised. My energy is way up. I am not crashing before lunch and falling asleep in front of the TV at night. And more importantly, I haven't got weepy at movies since starting this stuff. So, there is definitely something going on. I am planning another round of blood work on the 7th or 8th week so I can rub the doctor's nose in it.
Oh yeah, my work out sessions have improved. My focus is better and I can get in the extra set or two. And I have added another 10 minutes to my cardio which was an impossibility a few weeks ago.
The only problem with Dermacrine is that I will have to stop for a month or so to reset everything. Sustain Alpha and Endo Amp is my PCT. I will be chomping at the bit to do another cycle.
07-13-2008, 10:54 PM
That's exciting to hear. My body seems to be changing...obviously it's too soon to see results...plus I am taking Yohimbine plus Anabolic Pump in an attempt to get a serious body recomp.
One things for sure...The Dermacrine is giving me sustained energy thru-out the day. I am not even needing my Vitamins for energy like I used to.
07-19-2008, 05:10 PM
I'm not one too push supplements on the younger crowd, yet alone steroids and prohormones... BUT, I'd say Dermacrine is one of the best "first cycle" supplements one could use.
I say that without demeaning or minimizing what Dermacrine can do. I'm 22, and I had the exact same stack - Dermacrine + Phyto-Test for 4 weeks. I train Crossfit, with a lot of aerobics, so I'm more for the performance maximizers rather than the mass bulking agents. I was incredibly pleased with what this simple combo brought to me. I was running around 30-35 miles per week, and strength and muscle gains continued to increase. It may be less effective in the younger crowd, but wow does this stuff still work. On the recent sale I grabbed two more bottles of Phyto-Test... will be tough holding them off until their time comes!
07-20-2008, 01:08 AM
07-20-2008, 07:43 PM
07-20-2008, 07:55 PM
As you have probably learned, the vast majority of gear users will use injectable testosterone as their base, and then will branch off (if planned to) to stack it with other goal specific compounds... strength, mass, fat loss, whatever it may be. Dermacrine is in a way the "testosterone" in the legal AAS world, despite it being comprised of different ingredients. It combats lethargy, improves libido, and makes you just feel great while on it.
For a first time cycle, Epistane will bring more impressive gains, without a doubt. A very potent steroid, with suprisingly minimal sides. I mentioned that Dermacrine may be a suitable choice for a first cycle as it is unmethylated, and there is even less of a risk for sides. Lethargy is close to an impossibility as well on Dermacrine, while Epistane there is some reports of so. Both a great choice for a first cycle, maybe even better stacked together... when I think "first cycle" I tend to think of the least sides so that the individual can get the feel for the process.
07-20-2008, 10:37 PM
Thanks. I decided to try the Dermacrine because of the disappointing results from DHEA oral and some other OTC suppliments. In fact, the DHEA pills did absolutely nothing for me and at one point I was taking 200mg per day. What attracted me to Dermacrine is the ingredients to prevent conversion to estrogen and estradol that is common with extended DHEA use. My thinking was pretty much, one bottle can't hurt if this stuff is a waste. Dermacrine was a definite pleasant surprise. Thanks again for the input. For the heck of it, I will do some reading on Epistane.
07-27-2008, 08:30 PM
what would be a good cycle (dosage) using epistane and dermacrine
07-27-2008, 09:23 PM
The Dermacrine is a lotion. Primordial recommends 4-5 squirts of the stuff, then apply it to your shoulders, inner thighs and if you really want to be hard core, scrotum. This reportedly give you about 60mg transfered directly into the blood stream via absorption through the skin.
07-27-2008, 10:27 PM
[QUOTE=blitzpkg;1459331]what would be a good cycle (dosage) using epistane and dermacrine[/QUOT
I have cycled both. Taper them both up slowly. Feel them out & see how your they are working on your body. Always work up to instructions recommendations. If you feel real good and results seem side effect free you can always increase once and a while by about 25% if you want to puch it a little bit. Epistane instructions are 30 mgs per day, Dermacrine is 4-5 pumps per day. (applying to the scrotum is no big deal I do it all the time and not really hardcore anything...it's all about applying where it will enter your system the best.) Great energy from Dermacrine....GReat pumps and strength from Epistane. You'll love them. Of course for Dermacrine probably better if you are up there in age like me, late 30's or 40's.
07-27-2008, 10:31 PM
So you do the epistane orally or do you make up a transdermal?
07-27-2008, 10:43 PM
07-29-2008, 09:29 PM
I was under the impression that when using testosterone as an anabolic enhancer and not so much for HRT that you would want to be between 500 and 1000 mgs per week?
If one were to use Dermacrine as a stand alone product, is the recommend dosage enough, or is this product more of a “support system” for your natural testosterone production as well as and cortisol control?
07-29-2008, 09:55 PM
I’ve seen guys not gain a lb on 1gm/week of test simply because training and protein intake was lacking. My point is that results are heavily dependent on diet and training. You can make significant gains from 150mg/wk if your training and diet are dialed in.
Dermacrine at 5 pump ED will produce good results on its own, and works well as an “ace card” to break through plateaus. It also stacks very well with other PH’s or AAS’s for more significant gains.
09-03-2008, 02:55 PM
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