[Dogsoldier]

Originally Posted by blitzpkg

what would be a good cycle (dosage) using epistane and dermacrine

Can't answer the epistane question. I won't be looking at using that for several months.

The Dermacrine is a lotion. Primordial recommends 4-5 squirts of the stuff, then apply it to your shoulders, inner thighs and if you really want to be hard core, scrotum. This reportedly give you about 60mg transfered directly into the blood stream via absorption through the skin.

[luclyluciano]

[quote=blitzpkg;1459331]what would be a good cycle (dosage) using epistane and dermacrine[/QUOT


I have cycled both. Taper them both up slowly. Feel them out & see how your they are working on your body. Always work up to instructions recommendations. If you feel real good and results seem side effect free you can always increase once and a while by about 25% if you want to puch it a little bit. Epistane instructions are 30 mgs per day, Dermacrine is 4-5 pumps per day. (applying to the scrotum is no big deal I do it all the time and not really hardcore anything...it's all about applying where it will enter your system the best.) Great energy from Dermacrine....GReat pumps and strength from Epistane. You'll love them. Of course for Dermacrine probably better if you are up there in age like me, late 30's or 40's.

[Dogsoldier]

luclyluciano,

So you do the epistane orally or do you make up a transdermal?

[luclyluciano]

Originally Posted by Dogsoldier

luclyluciano,

So you do the epistane orally or do you make up a transdermal?

Orallly! Works great!

[Zippyxxx]

Originally Posted by Primordial Perf

The 4-5 pump dose of Dermacrine has been compared to 150mg of Test Enanthate by several long-time TRT patients. Some guys say it provides even more of a mental and energetic kick than testosterone too.

I wouldn’t go over 5 pumps a day or you risk getting too high of DHEA levels which would likely just give you anxiety, restlessness and maybe some estrogenic sides.

-Pp

Wouldn’t 150mg of Test Enanthate(per week) be enough to shut you down but not enough to see significant results, or are you just using Test Enanthate as an analogy?

I was under the impression that when using testosterone as an anabolic enhancer and not so much for HRT that you would want to be between 500 and 1000 mgs per week?

If one were to use Dermacrine as a stand alone product, is the recommend dosage enough, or is this product more of a “support system” for your natural testosterone production as well as and cortisol control?

[Primordial Perf]

Originally Posted by Zippyxxx

Wouldn’t 150mg of Test Enanthate(per week) be enough to shut you down but not enough to see significant results, or are you just using Test Enanthate as an analogy?

I was under the impression that when using testosterone as an anabolic enhancer and not so much for HRT that you would want to be between 500 and 1000 mgs per week?

If one were to use Dermacrine as a stand alone product, is the recommend dosage enough, or is this product more of a “support system” for your natural testosterone production as well as and cortisol control?

150mg/wk TE is appropriate for athletes that don’t want to gain a lot of weight, but want a performance boost. This is what Dermacrine will give you – and yes it will inhibit natural testosterone production.

I’ve seen guys not gain a lb on 1gm/week of test simply because training and protein intake was lacking. My point is that results are heavily dependent on diet and training. You can make significant gains from 150mg/wk if your training and diet are dialed in.

Dermacrine at 5 pump ED will produce good results on its own, and works well as an “ace card” to break through plateaus. It also stacks very well with other PH’s or AAS’s for more significant gains.

-Pp

[wheels]

Originally Posted by Primordial Perf

Not generally, but if your prone to estrogenic sides and water weight is a concern then you may benefit from a low dose AI.

-Pp

So would that be 50mgs everyday or 50mgs every other day ?

[Primordial Perf]

Originally Posted by wheels

So would that be 50mgs everyday or 50mgs every other day ?

What AI are you asking about?

-Pp

[wheels]

Originally Posted by Primordial Perf

What AI are you asking about?

-Pp

arom-x

[Primordial Perf]

Originally Posted by wheels

arom-x

You could stack 3-4 caps of arom-x with Dermacrine.

-Pp

[wheels]

Originally Posted by Primordial Perf

You could stack 3-4 caps of arom-x with Dermacrine.

-Pp

I had planned on using dremacrine with 1,4ad for a 8wk run.

[poopypants]

Originally Posted by wheels

I had planned on using dremacrine with 1,4ad for a 8wk run.

what dose of 1,4ad?

The thing you have to realize specifically with these two compounds is they reach their target compounds via reaction with the exact same enzymes..... dunno what the saturation levels are with these enzymes and after all people did use to stack hefty doses of 1-AD and 4-AD BUT they only delt with one type of enzyme for one conversion not 2 different types of enzymes used for multiple conversions..... jus tsomething to think about.

[wheels]

Originally Posted by poopypants

what dose of 1,4ad?

The thing you have to realize specifically with these two compounds is they reach their target compounds via reaction with the exact same enzymes..... dunno what the saturation levels are with these enzymes and after all people did use to stack hefty doses of 1-AD and 4-AD BUT they only delt with one type of enzyme for one conversion not 2 different types of enzymes used for multiple conversions..... jus tsomething to think about.

about 600mg-800mg aday ,so should I run them back to back or what would you suggest ?

[Primordial Perf]

Originally Posted by wheels

about 600mg-800mg aday ,so should I run them back to back or what would you suggest ?

You could run them at the same time. Most of the conversion of Dermacrine is happening in the skin, before it even gets to the blood stream.

It would be a solid stack.

-Pp

[wheels]

Originally Posted by Primordial Perf

You could run them at the same time. Most of the conversion of Dermacrine is happening in the skin, before it even gets to the blood stream.

It would be a solid stack.

-Pp

what would you recommend to bridge from the cycle into pct,and what would your pct look like ?