Have you ever been upset by high testosterone lab results?

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    Have you ever been upset by high testosterone lab results?


    Now I have...

    Back in december, I did a cycle of 1-t + at the tail end of it superdrol. I got my blood tested precycle, and my results came back about what I expected, crappy. I had been previously told that my test levels were at bottom of scale but never went on trt. I used Dermacrine Sustain Alpha and Toco-8 for my PCT, then took a final blood test about a month after that was over. Dangit, i'm not a TRT candidate anymore....

    Hats off to Primordial, even tho I have no excuse to go on TRT now
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  2. Awesome results. Always nice to see bloodwork and numbers backing up a product.

  3. Congrats Easy, nice recovery there
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  4. Damn almost a 75% increase in test it looks like! Holy crap! lol... I have used Dermacrine sustain reg and it was great, cant wait to try the alpha.
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  5. Is that all you were using in regards to test boosting? No SERM, AI, etc?

    How many pumps of alpha, and where did you apply to?

    Thanks-

  6. Wow, Easy!!! That's awesome.. Sad story no more TRT though, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imprezivr6 View Post
    Is that all you were using in regards to test boosting? No SERM, AI, etc?

    How many pumps of alpha, and where did you apply to?

    Thanks-
    yeah, that was it, it was part of a purposeful experiment. Since it was so low to begin with, I figured that worst that happens is I come back poorly and go on TRT anyhow. Thats why I did the blood test before the cycle, and after PCT + rest time.

    I did 5 pumps a day of the sustain, 1 to the sack and inner thighs, and the rest spread from abs to upper bis.

    Granted your mileage my vary you have to also keep in mind that in the timespan of these tests I went from mid 20s bodyfat to mid teens. So I think aromatase levels dropping because of that have a bit to do with it. I definitely noticed about 2 weeks into PCT that I was hanging extra low not really bigger than normal, but hanging lower.
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  8. Easy, that's ridiculous. I love how at the bottom @ current hormone therapies it goes from 'none' in December to 'none indicated' in March. AHHAHAHAH!!
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    well, that is quite a remarkable change for sure, so obviously someone there was paying attention
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    well, that is quite a remarkable change for sure, so obviously someone there was paying attention
    Whatever man, just tell em you've been practicing your Kegel's.
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  11. Good to hear. I have actually been running Sustain Alpha for a little over 2 weeks now, at 5 pumps a day.. Not noticing a whole lot yet, so hopefully it starts to kick in.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    Now I have...

    Back in december, I did a cycle of 1-t + at the tail end of it superdrol. I got my blood tested precycle, and my results came back about what I expected, crappy. I had been previously told that my test levels were at bottom of scale but never went on trt. I used Dermacrine Sustain Alpha and Toco-8 for my PCT, then took a final blood test about a month after that was over. Dangit, i'm not a TRT candidate anymore....

    Hats off to Primordial, even tho I have no excuse to go on TRT now
    Thats great EJ, thanks for posting.

    -Pp

  13. I thought your LH would be higher

    How much did the the tests cost you ?
    Was it easy to do the blood spot ?
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    yeah, the lh + fsh dropping a little is interesting, but who knows how all that goes together... still in normal range, so good enough for me

    the tests were around $140-150 a pop, I don't remember exactly. it was pretty easy to do, took about 20 minutes first thing in the morning to do it.
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  15. Quote Originally Posted by broken7 View Post
    I thought your LH would be higher

    How much did the the tests cost you ?
    Was it easy to do the blood spot ?
    High LH/FSH isnít necessarily a good thing. Having low LH/FSH means that the Toco-8 helped improve his testicular sensitivity so he can maintain a higher testosterone level with lower LH/FSH levels. This is a good thing

    Plus, LH/FSH is released in rhythmic pulses throughout the day, with the highest amount released first thing in the morning. He may have tested different times, thus showing different levels.

    -Pp

  16. whats most amazing is this came a month after the Primordial PCT.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by imprezivr6 View Post
    Good to hear. I have actually been running Sustain Alpha for a little over 2 weeks now, at 5 pumps a day.. Not noticing a whole lot yet, so hopefully it starts to kick in.
    Did this ever kick in for you?

  18. Let me get this straight. You used Derma, Sustain Alpha, and the toco? Not just the Sustain and toco? How would this work for someone attempting a restart? I thought the Derma wasn't recommended for part of the PCT unless I read wrong.
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    no, just the sustain alpha. I thought its full name was "dermacrine sustain alpha", but I guess i'm wrong. maybe it was "dermacrine sustain" before it became the alpha.
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  20. Ah, this is what I was looking for!

  21. Quote Originally Posted by fitzchivalry0 View Post
    Let me get this straight. You used Derma, Sustain Alpha, and the toco? Not just the Sustain and toco? How would this work for someone attempting a restart? I thought the Derma wasn't recommended for part of the PCT unless I read wrong.
    Yep, the Dermacrine isnít used for PCT. Itís the Sustain Alpha that you want for PCT. (and the Toco)

    -Pp

  22. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf;
    Yep, the Dermacrine isnít used for PCT. Itís the Sustain Alpha that you want for PCT. (and the Toco)

    -Pp
    Plus EndoAMP!

  23. wait, did u put it on your ballz? Is that what ur saying?
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  24. One final question, you ran this as a typical four week pct, correct, or a bit longer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    wait, did u put it on your ballz? Is that what ur saying?
    yeah, thats where one squirt went, with the excess spread to inner thighs.

    It was a 4 week pct.
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yeah, thats where one squirt went, with the excess spread to inner thighs.

    It was a 4 week pct.
    they could only fit enough for one squirt

  27. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    yeah, thats where one squirt went, with the excess spread to inner thighs.

    It was a 4 week pct.
    u said it made ur ballz bigger? Or just cause the testicular atrophy from ur cycle? Would this work with any transdermal?
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    well, they didn't really atrophy noticeably, but they did "turtle up" and rise. they ended up dropping down to hanging lower than normal by about the middle of the second week of PCT
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    well, they didn't really atrophy noticeably, but they did "turtle up" and rise. they ended up dropping down to hanging lower than normal by about the middle of the second week of PCT
    nice, im gonna try this, lol
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by EasyEJL View Post
    well, they didn't really atrophy noticeably, but they did "turtle up" and rise. they ended up dropping down to hanging lower than normal by about the middle of the second week of PCT
    nice, im gonna try this, lol

    actually my gf used to complain about her like kissing my arms or chest and tasting the penetrate,imagine if she was sucking my ballz and tasted it

    lol
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    oh boy and sustain has its own unique smell, so I can imagine it tastes extra special
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  32. Quote Originally Posted by warbird01 View Post
    nice, im gonna try this, lol

    actually my gf used to complain about her like kissing my arms or chest and tasting the penetrate,imagine if she was sucking my ballz and tasted it

    lol
    The thin skin around the balls absorbs the ingredients extemely well, unlike some of the more 'waxy' areas of the skin that repel penetration. There shouldnt be any taste/smell after a couple hours.

    -Pp

  33. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    The thin skin around the balls absorbs the ingredients extemely well, unlike some of the more 'waxy' areas of the skin that repel penetration. There shouldnt be any taste/smell after a couple hours.

    -Pp

    I must a freak cause my balls have thicker skin then most other parts of my body. Other then my face it's basically the only part of my body I can shave without getting razor burn.....I have ball skin of steel!!!......probably more information then you guys wanted to know =)

  34. Quote Originally Posted by broken7 View Post
    I must a freak cause my balls have thicker skin then most other parts of my body. Other then my face it's basically the only part of my body I can shave without getting razor burn.....I have ball skin of steel!!!......probably more information then you guys wanted to know =)

    Way too much.
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  35. Hey about how long does a bottle of Sustain Alpha last at 5 pumps a day?

    Mr.50

  36. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Hey about how long does a bottle of Sustain Alpha last at 5 pumps a day?

    Mr.50
    It should last 25 days at 5 pump ED.

    -Pp

  37. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    It should last 25 days at 5 pump ED.

    -Pp

    Thanks PP. Any plans in the future for a discounted stack of Sustain and Endoamp? or Sustain, EndoAmp, and Toco-8???? I know you got the one with the Sustain and Toco-8 but right now I have a canister of that but no Sustain or Endo????

    Mr.50

  38. Quote Originally Posted by Mr.50 View Post
    Thanks PP. Any plans in the future for a discounted stack of Sustain and Endoamp? or Sustain, EndoAmp, and Toco-8???? I know you got the one with the Sustain and Toco-8 but right now I have a canister of that but no Sustain or Endo????

    Mr.50
    Our next deal is gonna be for the new DermaTherm formulation... stay tunned.

    Remember we got the testosterone recovery stack for the Sustain, EndoAmp, and Toco-8.

    -Pp

  39. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Our next deal is gonna be for the new DermaTherm formulation... stay tunned.

    Remember we got the testosterone recovery stack for the Sustain, EndoAmp, and Toco-8.

    -Pp

    Thata what I was looking for the test recovery stack but I didn't see it on the web site! Maybe I am blind, and I'll go look again..... let me know if there is a trick to finding it. Thanks.

    Mr.50
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    i do still need to try phytotest. one of these days I will
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