[superone]

Hey Force of Green, i did a 24 hour urine test for Cortisol, and i was in normal range, but in the upper normal range, so id like to lower it.


Should i use X-Lean or Retain 2?


Retain 2 seems like it offers everything X-Lean does plus more no?


Thanks.

[badfish51581]

Originally Posted by thesinner

I prefer to play russian hooker roullete. This requires 6 hookers, one of which is either a Transvestite or has the Clap. It's quite fun.

I've played and lost that game...

[Force of Green]

Originally Posted by superone

Hey Force of Green, i did a 24 hour urine test for Cortisol, and i was in normal range, but in the upper normal range, so id like to lower it.


Should i use X-Lean or Retain 2?


Retain 2 seems like it offers everything X-Lean does plus more no?


Thanks.

To straighten out hormonal imbalances like that, stick with adaptogens. You can get Relora online at almost any site, except Nutraplanet. Source Naturals offers Relora for a good price and you can find it all over the web or at some health food stores.

Also, check into Sensoril. It's a patented, potent, and certified extract of Ashwaganda and it's amazing stuff. Add schizandra to the mix (also available by source naturals) and you'll feel like a new man after about 3-4 weeks.

Try this ultra effective, affordable protocol

1. Relora 1000 mg per day (250mg morning, 250mg afternoon, 500mg before bed)
2. Sensoril (Life Extensions optimized ashwaganda extract is very good and cheap!) 2 caps morning, 2 caps evening with meals
3. Source Naturals schizandra: 1 cap morning, 1 cap evening
4. *** Want some amazing anti-oxidant properties and a little absorption aid for your stack? Get Super Curcumin extract by Life Extension. Offers 500mg of curcumin and 5mg bioperine.

You'll have a killer stack on your hands that you can use ALL year round. You'll love it!

[Travis]

Bump for others....even though we got a little OT later in the thread.

[Evilmonkey]

Originally Posted by bioman

The only concern I'd have about running Sustain over a SERM during PCT is the lack of strong estrogen receptor binding in the breast tissue. There may be some with Sustain but SERMs provide rock solid insurance during a time when your hormonal millieu is often very prone to creating or agonizing gyno.

Other than that, I'd love to run Sustain with a SERM and well after the PCT period to see what it can do.

I'm still learning on this subject so please bare with me...

I get the feeling that most of the board despises ATD's... but wouldnt running a low dose in the begining of a PCT program be benificial... Dont they raise test levels and take care of the abundance of estro? Dosing for a week or two, tapering down while Sustain starts to ramp up.

Just a thought

[Ronnie]

Originally Posted by Force of Green

To straighten out hormonal imbalances like that, stick with adaptogens. You can get Relora online at almost any site, except Nutraplanet. Source Naturals offers Relora for a good price and you can find it all over the web or at some health food stores.

Also, check into Sensoril. It's a patented, potent, and certified extract of Ashwaganda and it's amazing stuff. Add schizandra to the mix (also available by source naturals) and you'll feel like a new man after about 3-4 weeks.

Try this ultra effective, affordable protocol

1. Relora 1000 mg per day (250mg morning, 250mg afternoon, 500mg before bed)
2. Sensoril (Life Extensions optimized ashwaganda extract is very good and cheap!) 2 caps morning, 2 caps evening with meals
3. Source Naturals schizandra: 1 cap morning, 1 cap evening
4. *** Want some amazing anti-oxidant properties and a little absorption aid for your stack? Get Super Curcumin extract by Life Extension. Offers 500mg of curcumin and 5mg bioperine.

You'll have a killer stack on your hands that you can use ALL year round. You'll love it!

http://store.anabolicminds.com/product/1517/relora.html

[Force of Green]

A couple days after I posted that, Nutraplanet started carrying NOW Relora. NOW is definitely a good brand Relora and the dosage is awesome as well. The recommended dose is 250mg, 3 times per day, however, NOW Relora is 300mg per cap. Considering that most of us are bigger guys, the 300mg, 3x per day will no doubt be perfect. You can take UP to, BUT NO MORE, than 1500mg per day, however, going above that will cause drowsiness and sedation. Don't exceed the recommended dose.

[Ronnie]

I'm going to use your doseage of relora along with the new Napalm! I can't wait!!!

[Force of Green]

Originally Posted by Ronnie

I'm going to use your doseage of relora along with the new Napalm! I can't wait!!!

Tight man. I'm curious about this Napalm, so keep us updated PLEASE.

[BigAsian]

Originally Posted by superone

Force of Green, id be interested to hear your long term supplement plan if you dont mind.


Can you give me the details on how much you took, for how long, and did you build up the dose,ect?


Thanks.

I would also like to see your long term supplement plan..

[Force of Green]

Originally Posted by BigAsian

I would also like to see your long term supplement plan..

Sweet. I will post exactly what it is and why I chose what I did for it and whatnot. I'm going to run some errands, but will post it in a couple hours.

[Force of Green]

This is my long term stack, verbatim... I got back to my computer VERY late, but I did say I'd list it... for those who are interested, here it is... for those who aren't, ok

MVP-365 Multi-vitamin: Why? It's the best ratio of essential vitamins in their most bioavailable forms. It has what you need in the right amounts and doesn't have what you don't need. The leftover room in the capsuls has synergistic anti-oxidants and adaptogens. You can't beat the price either.

ZMK- Krebs cycle intermediate minerals for optimum growth, recovery and hormone maximization. Promotes deep, restorative sleep. Sleep is more important than training. The price is also 'right'.

Tea-3 - A blend of 3 extremely potent teas into one capsule. Green tea (we all know what the benefits are), oolong tea (amazing metabolic enhancer and offers different varieties of polyphenols and catechins not found in GT, and yerba mate.

Super Curcumin - 800 mg of curcumin (95% extract) with 5 mg of bioperine. The green tea and oolong teas work complimentary with the curcumin and the bioperine increases the ECGC absorption of the green and oolong teas

Green Tea Polyphenol and Curcumin Inversely Regulate Human Involucrin Promoter Activity via Opposing Effects on CCAAT/Enhancer-binding Protein Function

Optimized Carnitine - Contains 3 of the best forms of L-Carnitine available. This product is by Life Extension. Instead of me wording it, I'll cut and paste from the description, which is right on point.

Diminished cellular energy production is an inevitable consequence of aging. As adults mature, the cellular power plants known as the mitochondria become dysfunctional. The resulting slowdown in energy production manifests in numerous health problems.

Nutritional researchers have discovered that the amino acid carnitine promotes the burning of fat for fuel in the mitochondria, thus promoting youthful levels of cellular energy production.* Researchers have now identified several optimized, next-generation forms of carnitine that not only help boost cellular energy production, but also may confer targeted benefits for the brain, heart, muscles, and central nervous system.

Optimized Carnitine with GlycoCarn™ combines these advanced forms of carnitine -- acetyl-L-carnitine, propionyl-L-carnitine, and acetyl-L-carnitine arginate -- in a single formula that provides balanced, broad-spectrum support for cellular energy production throughout the body.

Acetyl-L-carnitine readily crosses the blood-brain barrier to combat oxidative stress and promote energy production in critical brain and central nervous system tissues.1 Acetyl-L-carnitine also supports healthy brain function by stimulating the release of acetylcholine and dopamine, two neurotransmitters that play vital roles in brain health and communication.*

Acetyl-L-carnitine arginate has an added molecule of arginine that enables it to augment the effects of acetyl-L-carnitine, promoting the growth of neurites that facilitate communication among nerve cells in the brain.2

GlycoCarn™ is a patented form of proprionyl-L-carnitine that quickly penetrates into heart, endothelial and muscle cells, with effects that range from protecting the heart muscle to combating muscle fatigue by increasing muscle energy stores of glycogen.3

My adaptogen stack is inexpensive and VERY effective. To hell with all these anti-cortisol supps that work for a while until you cycle off of them, these supps will keep your stress at bay AND keep you ripped (YES ripped) and leaner all year long.

Relora - So many studies on this proving it's efficacy. It works awesome for me at 750mg per day, but the max dose (NEVER exceed this) is 1500mg per day and I don't have a worry in the world (almost). I pretty much laugh everything off.

Sensoril - This is a patented ashwaganda extract assuring mega potency. The Relora & Sensoril combo is unparallelled.

Schizandra berry extract - Keeps the adrenals fresh at all times, reduces stress as well, enhances skin tone, anti-oxidant properties are great as well... Promotes a longer life... tons more.

Vinpocetine - I just take 20mg with breakfast. It's VERY cheap and very effective. Some notice it right away, but some notice it's cumulative effects after a couple weeks. It has a ton of research on it. It's a proven vasodialator that acts on blood vessels in the brain. I used to have to always check my printed out directions when I went to a place I'd never been... Now I don't even realize it, but I can remember about a page of directions without glancing at the map.


This adaptogen blend is amazing.

Post Cycle Support - Just ordered some. I will be triple dosing it... LOL... so I get the 1,800mg of transresveratrol. The testosterone increases will be outstanding and there's no need to cycle off of it. I'm also mostly taking it for it's anti-aging effects.

Carnage - So much research on beta-alanine. It's also the cheapest capped form of this amazing compound. beta-alanine is amazing for anyone doing any kind of training or competition. It has other benefits aside from raising carnosine levels in muscle as well.

Poseidon - How important is hydration?

Drive - I take it because it offers such a wide array of benefits and it doesn't need to be cycled. It's also non-stimulant. The naringin may enhance the caffeine that's in the Tea-3, but that's not bad at all IMO. Drive enhances mood, has anti-oxidant properties, raises testosterone, and exterts AI and SERM activity. Nice stuff. I can attest and so can anyone who has taken it.

That's pretty much it. I drink Goji juice when I get my hands on it and whatnot... oh... crap... OMEGA-3s... I buy it in bulk and drink about 20 grams of it per day.

My meals are all sensible and colorful, my sleep is a solid 7-8 hours, my stress is unbelievably managed (even now I'm going through a ROUGH time), and I drink a gallon or more of water per day.... This is my stack verbatim, I hope yall enjoy reading it.

[Travis]

What do you dose the Ashwagandha at? I've read it decreases sensitivity of dopamine receptors. Which would make me think this is not something you would want to use ON cycle or even in PCT b/c of potential prolactin issues.

I honestly dont know enough about it though.

[Force of Green]

Originally Posted by Travis

What do you dose the Ashwagandha at? I've read it decreases sensitivity of dopamine receptors. Which would make me think this is not something you would want to use ON cycle or even in post cycle therapy b/c of potential prolactin issues.

I honestly dont know enough about it though.

Good point. It regulates (normalizes) dopamine receptor activity, but actually increase dopamine and acetylcholine in the brain. It would be perfect on or off cycle.

Take it in a box,
or with a fox.
Dose it with a friendly mouse,
dose it in your house.
You can keep it under your hat,
you can even give it to your cat!

Too many benefits from this herb to mention.

Upregulating the CNS, supporting the thyroid, decreasing cortisol, ashwaganda may also possess androgenic properties, it DIRECTLY increases libido and sexual performance, increases activity of ingested stimulants (this has been tested with amphetamines), it has been proven to enhance stamina, it is an anti-inflamatory, it is an anti-oxidant, it exerts anti-tumor effects, it increases immune function, it is a powerful nootropic agent.... the list goes on...

I take about 1 gram of Sensoril per day.