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  1. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    and, allow me to refresh my initial opinion of Axon. i have had nice, even, consistent energy all day long - no letdown, including all thru tennis and even right now..no kidding when they say long-lasting energy, WOW.
    I have been very interested in trying this, but I am prescribed a stimulant, so I have to be careful with the combination. maybe I will cut dosage a bit
    Just inject.
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  2. I am loving the new ignite 2, seems to get stronger every time I use it which is usuall opposite for a stim type product .. strange that....
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    I have been very interested in trying this, but I am prescribed a stimulant, so I have to be careful with the combination. maybe I will cut dosage a bit
    good luck splitting a capsule.
    srs - 1/2 of one might be all you need..at least start out w/ 1 cap to assess if you do try it.
    i have never had such even, sustained energy -- no huge waves of ups, no crashes, just even on a line -- for such a long period of time, from any stimulant in my life.
    it's crazy.
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    Hey Snag,

    Been meaning to ask you a question. We are the same height and (sometimes) the same weight, yet I am not hardly as lean as you, and am a bit older. In some of your photos you look real thick for your height and weight. Leanness makes one look very muscular, but of course that is not to deminish your physique by any measure.

    When you were stage ready what was your waist and arm circumference?
    When you are off season what is your waist and arm circumference?

    Yeah...that's right, I'm sizing you up Big Man!
    I have no enemies. My friends intensely despise me.

  5. Ya Snag always looks extremely dense...makes me jealous!
    I just tell myself that I am still a young buck and that in time one day I'll have that crazy muscle density.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Hey Snag,

    Been meaning to ask you a question. We are the same height and (sometimes) the same weight, yet I am not hardly as lean as you, and am a bit older. In some of your photos you look real thick for your height and weight. Leanness makes one look very muscular, but of course that is not to deminish your physique by any measure.

    When you were stage ready what was your waist and arm circumference?
    When you are off season what is your waist and arm circumference?

    Yeah...that's right, I'm sizing you up Big Man!
    uh oh, sizing me up now..
    LOL
    but wait a minute - on a srs tip: you say i only look thick in some of my pics?? really? :|
    ahaa, nah i know what you mean. some of my pics, when i'm a lil too lean/too light/too undernourished i can start looking rail thin.
    i think for the most part, i am able to keep the 'fullness' simply due to my eating habits, and by extension keeping blood sugar stabilized, glucagon/insulin levels even as well. consistent training backs it up, synergistic effect if you will..
    tbh my friend, i don't keep measurements anymore, haven't in a long time. i think the biggest my arms got was pushing 19", circa my avi pic ~4yrs ago. (i weighed ~205 there, leanest i ever been @ that weight..i'm on a mission now to get back to that shape in short order).
    my waist - well, let's just say my 14y/o son wears bigger jeans than i do..he's a 34, and i can still fit easily into 32s (so long as they are baggy in the legs, otherwise i have to go up to a 34 too).
    ppl always think i weigh a ton more than i do..i get it all the time.
    (one guy on another forum kept pm'ing me, calling me out hard that he dint believe me! i had to laff)
    just gentically lucky i guess to be fairly well proportioned, and then consistent work to enhance the illusion.

    Quote Originally Posted by bolt10 View Post
    Ya Snag always looks extremely dense...makes me jealous!
    I just tell myself that I am still a young buck and that in time one day I'll have that crazy muscle density.
    yrs of training surely plays a part in density, unless you're just a genetic freak.
    i told you yrs ago bro, you are well on your way.
    at the rate you're going, you will leave me in the dust in no time.

    thanks for the kind words, both of you.

  7. You know Snag...sometimes I am torn apart in deciding a path of growth for me. What I mean by this, is that I am only 21 years old, and have trained consistently and with proud results for a year...yet I have not yet been able to decide what look do I want...Either Big, strong and dense like yours, or something more slender, defined and less aggressive looking like bdcc (Ben)...

    Though I have to say...my psyche is usually divided in 2, a pacifist-constructive kind of person and a vicious-destructive-beast...and the one that usually dominates in the gym is the latter...And a big, strong and aggressive look would fit it better ! Maybe in some 7-8 years I'll get to be as big and defined as you if I finally let myself really Bulk for once and stop stressing over fat gains.
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  8. Celorza - i feel your pain, really. been thru all that anguishment (still go thru it today to a degree ahem).
    part of it is, we are our own worst critics. i know when i see myself getting a lil soft around the edges, belly jutting out a lil too much - i have a tendency to pull in the reins on diet intake, like a reflexive action..this mentality has surely kept me from getting bigger than what i am now. had i concentrated on size rather than 'looking lean and muscular' as David Dunn says, i surely would be a bigger fellow these days.
    (but who knows? maybe my joints woulda burst by now from the increased weight loads i woulda pushed.. )
    athletic performance tho has always pre-empted any "hugeness" goals i've had; when i get to a certain bodyweight, i just get too damn inflexible to do the things i like to do, it's uncomfortable. so, that has kept me in the same stratosphere for these yrs.
    you have a lot of time to develop yourself bro..a lot of experiemtnation you can do. whatever you decide to do, all i can recommend is consistency in whatever your course - even if you change up courses. the day-to-day consistency is what it all boils down to, whatever the goal.
    keep at it, be diligent, learn your body, and in the end you will be happy with the outcome i am sure.

  9. Solid advice bro thanks . And FWIW I think you are pretty huge haha, not everyone is 5'9" and with that low BF weighting 205lbs! Heck I know 6'1" guys that have trouble hitting the 200 mark! I'll keep up with the consistency and time will take its course on me and possibly show me the way, for now I am enjoying strength training a lot .

    Thanks for the advice and words agains bro!
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    uh oh, sizing me up now..
    LOL
    but wait a minute - on a srs tip: you say i only look thick in some of my pics?? really? :|
    ahaa, nah i know what you mean. some of my pics, when i'm a lil too lean/too light/too undernourished i can start looking rail thin.
    i think for the most part, i am able to keep the 'fullness' simply due to my eating habits, and by extension keeping blood sugar stabilized, glucagon/insulin levels even as well. consistent training backs it up, synergistic effect if you will..
    tbh my friend, i don't keep measurements anymore, haven't in a long time. i think the biggest my arms got was pushing 19", circa my avi pic ~4yrs ago. (i weighed ~205 there, leanest i ever been @ that weight..i'm on a mission now to get back to that shape in short order).
    my waist - well, let's just say my 14y/o son wears bigger jeans than i do..he's a 34, and i can still fit easily into 32s (so long as they are baggy in the legs, otherwise i have to go up to a 34 too).
    ppl always think i weigh a ton more than i do..i get it all the time.
    (one guy on another forum kept pm'ing me, calling me out hard that he dint believe me! i had to laff)
    just gentically lucky i guess to be fairly well proportioned, and then consistent work to enhance the illusion.

    yrs of training surely plays a part in density, unless you're just a genetic freak.
    i told you yrs ago bro, you are well on your way.
    at the rate you're going, you will leave me in the dust in no time.

    thanks for the kind words, both of you.
    Alright, thanks. You are a bit bigger (more muscular) than me. At about 205lbs I got to 18" arms but my waist line was 36+ at my leanest, but as a true endomorph, that is not that lean.

    Damn you...my skinny jeans are 34's!!!

    Like yourself, and at my age, I don't use the tape too much anymore.

    Well done big guy!
    I have no enemies. My friends intensely despise me.

  11. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    Alright, thanks. You are a bit bigger (more muscular) than me. At about 205lbs I got to 18" arms but my waist line was 36+ at my leanest, but as a true endomorph, that is not that lean.

    Damn you...my skinny jeans are 34's!!!

    Like yourself, and at my age, I don't use the tape too much anymore.

    Well done big guy!
    lmao on the skinny jeans!
    and back at ya on the well done, sounds like you are representing very well indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    had i concentrated on size rather than 'looking lean and muscular' as David Dunn says, i surely would be a bigger fellow these days.
    (but who knows? maybe my joints woulda burst by now from the increased weight loads i woulda pushed.. )
    athletic performance tho has always pre-empted any "hugeness" goals i've had; when i get to a certain bodyweight, i just get too damn inflexible to do the things i like to do, it's uncomfortable. so, that has kept me in the same stratosphere for these yrs.
    I'll concur with this statement as well.

    I recently started playing baseball again. Hardball. I am a catcher and a natural at that. I played in H.S. and am as good or better now as I was then. But in all honesty weight lifting, bodybuilding, is counter productive to my game. One reason is I have a lot of body mass for a 5'9" guy which certainly doesn't make my light on my feet. Another reason is a lack of flexibility. The last is the repetitive use injuries to joints and tendons that have be staved off over the years have become more painful and at time incapacitating now.

    Consider that when you see a young guy of our height at 220-230+ he will one day in his middle age (yes, there is life after youth) likely have issues of hypertension as well as the silent killer - sleep apnea. Aspire to be healthy first...
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  13. Quote Originally Posted by David Dunn View Post
    I recently started playing baseball again.
    oh so now you think you're Roger Clemens.
    can't believe that dude wants to get out there and pitch in the minors again, wow.
    good for him tho. like he says - 50 is the new 40!
    will be interesting to see how it goes this Saturday for him..

    But in all honesty weight lifting, bodybuilding, is counter productive to my game. One reason is I have a lot of body mass for a 5'9" guy which certainly doesn't make my light on my feet. Another reason is a lack of flexibility. The last is the repetitive use injuries to joints and tendons that have be staved off over the years have become more painful and at time incapacitating now.

    Consider that when you see a young guy of our height at 220-230+ he will one day in his middle age (yes, there is life after youth) likely have issues of hypertension as well as the silent killer - sleep apnea. Aspire to be healthy first...
    well said my friend, you summed it up perfectly.
    and the boldened - absolutely should be the focus in youth, and not just an all-out attempt to "accrue muscle" no matter what, as it so often the case.

    on an off note - sounds like you & i have quite a bit in common. i too grew up playing baseball, had the eyes of some scouts at one time..didn't work out, for various reasons. even after i made a comeback in my mid-20s, a former big-leaguer & local pro scout (Matt Kinzer) thought i had enough talent to make a go of it, but by that time i had a family to worry about and support, and a-ball money was not gonna cut it. so it just became something to do for fun. i played in a local league until ~2008; then after some injuries, i've turned my attention to focus on pretty much just tennis since.

    interesting stuff! thanks for sharing some personal info with us.

  14. Hah talkin about jean size I can fit into my 32 regular fit jeans quite easily 32 relaxed fit are actually too baggy. I could probably pull off a 31 relaxed fit...

    Yah I am fighting between liking the real lean look and wanting to look more full but that will happen anyhow, can't remain this lean all the time... as far as size goes, I'll take a little more if I can get it but I don't need to be getting much bigger at my age...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  15. yeah you seem to have a miniscule waist in some of your shots DW.

    so today was supposed to be an off day..got an invite for tennis early this afternoon, decided to throw an all-arm day in (+ abs) on the front half.
    i really don't enjoy dedicating a training session solely to arms; but conversely, thruout the yrs i have noticed the best growth overall in this area when i DO hammer both bi/tri together. it's a dilemma.
    figured i should hit em while i got the gumption.

    with tennis+training in the mix, cals @ 4350 again this day.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    yeah you seem to have a miniscule waist in some of your shots DW.
    Yah I look wider from the front but from the side it disappears...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  17. pic of supper tonight.

    5oz turkey breast
    3oz steak strips
    lil under 1/2 cup black beans
    6oz salad w/ croutons/red peppers/ceasar dressing
    (not pictured 2 white cheddar rice cakes dessert)
    total cals ~625



    also - went shopping today, picked up all the ingredients to make my own version of MP's pizza recipe he dropped earlier..
    not gonna be as low-fat as what he laid out, but it'll be pretty close, low enough.
    some goodies include steak strips, 93% lean ground turkey, chicken breast chunks, turkey pepperoni, some tasty marinara napolitana, white mushrooms, red onion, green olives (not on mine, but i'm making 2), and this tomato basil string cheese i picked up just looks too good NOT to use (did pick up light string cheese tho too).
    target date in Monday for these, can't wait.
    pics will be furnished.




  18. I am all excited about my carb up tonight and can't help looking at the food porn...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  19. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I am all excited about my carb up tonight and can't help looking at the food porn...
    turns out, i am actually making my pizza tonight, and the second one will be made Monday..looking forward to it myself.

  20. saw this article this morning, thought i'd share.
    nothing earth-shattering, but some good reading and nice concepts to embrace to keep things real.
    (also: altho i practice and embrace 'nutrient-timing' in my approach, this would seem to lend further credence that - for the average person - the body simply cannot be guided by such short and swift changes. that being said, i think i'll continue along on my merry timing ways. )


    M.I.T.-Trained Mathematician Dispels Weight-Loss Myths


    It may not have been your favorite class in school, but mathematics can teach us something about losing weight!

    Dr. Carson Chow is a M.I.T.-trained mathematician and physicist who works for the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Dr. Chow and his colleagues study obesity using mathematical models. What his research group has learned throws some conventional beliefs about weight loss out the window. Here are just a few:

    •Belief #1: To lose a pound of weight, you need to burn 3500 Calories (kcal). Wrong. Dr. Chow's research indicates that the number of calories that you need to burn to lose a pound varies as your weight changes. In particular, as you gain weight, it becomes easier to get fatter. He explains, "An extra 10 Calories a day puts more weight onto an obese person than on a thinner one."

    •Belief #2: If you cut your calories (i.e. go on a diet), you'll lose weight at first, but soon you will hit a "plateau". Wrong. If you hit a plateau soon after cutting your calories, then you've probably mistakenly overeaten. Dr. Chow says there is a "time constant" to weight loss: If you reduce your caloric intake, your body will eventually reach equilibrium, or "plateau", but it takes a long time. In fact, Chow's research at the NIH suggests that if you cut your caloric intake by 100 Calories, in three years you will lose, on average, 10 pounds, so long as you don't cheat. If you want to lose weight more quickly than, then you must reduce your caloric intake by a more substantial amount.

    •Belief #3: Large variations in daily caloric intake will cause huge fluctuations in your weight. Wrong. In fact, Dr. Chow's research suggests that large variations in your daily caloric intake will not cause variations in your weight, so long as your average intake over the course of a year is about the same. This has to do with the "time constant" referred to above. The body responds slowly to changes in food intake. This is illustrated by physique athletes who suddenly and dramatically increase their calories in the days immediately following a competition. Their muscles "fill out" and they sometimes end up looking better than they did the day of the competition. A few days later, their caloric intake goes back to normal. Over the course of a year, this short brief of "gluttony" is averaged out and no excess weight is gained.

    •Belief #4: People have gotten fatter in the last 30-40 years because they are less active. Wrong. According to Dr. Chow, starting in the 1970s, changes were made to national agricultural policies that encouraged farmers to engage in full production. Previously, the government had paid farmers not to engage in full production. Around the same time, technological advances were made that increased the efficiency of food production. Combined, this resulted in a dramatic increase in the supply of food available to the average American. It increased by about 1000 Calories a day. The greater the food supply, the more people eat. This is what is responsible for our obesity epidemic.

    •Belief #5: Diets don't work. Wrong again. In fact, Dr. Chow says "All diets work [as long as you cut your calories enough]. But the reaction time is really slow: On the order of a year." Of course, physique athletes know that if you cut more calories and speed up your fat-burning metabolism with bodybuilding-style workouts and quality supplements, you can shorten the "reaction time" dramatically!


    REFERENCE

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/sc...sity.html?_r=1

  21. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    saw this article this morning, thought i'd share.
    nothing earth-shattering, but some good reading and nice concepts to embrace to keep things real.
    (also: altho i practice and embrace 'nutrient-timing' in my approach, this would seem to lend further credence that - for the average person - the body simply cannot be guided by such short and swift changes. that being said, i think i'll continue along on my merry timing ways. )


    M.I.T.-Trained Mathematician Dispels Weight-Loss Myths


    It may not have been your favorite class in school, but mathematics can teach us something about losing weight!

    Dr. Carson Chow is a M.I.T.-trained mathematician and physicist who works for the National Institutes of Health (NIH). Dr. Chow and his colleagues study obesity using mathematical models. What his research group has learned throws some conventional beliefs about weight loss out the window. Here are just a few:

    •Belief #1: To lose a pound of weight, you need to burn 3500 Calories (kcal). Wrong. Dr. Chow's research indicates that the number of calories that you need to burn to lose a pound varies as your weight changes. In particular, as you gain weight, it becomes easier to get fatter. He explains, "An extra 10 Calories a day puts more weight onto an obese person than on a thinner one."

    •Belief #2: If you cut your calories (i.e. go on a diet), you'll lose weight at first, but soon you will hit a "plateau". Wrong. If you hit a plateau soon after cutting your calories, then you've probably mistakenly overeaten. Dr. Chow says there is a "time constant" to weight loss: If you reduce your caloric intake, your body will eventually reach equilibrium, or "plateau", but it takes a long time. In fact, Chow's research at the NIH suggests that if you cut your caloric intake by 100 Calories, in three years you will lose, on average, 10 pounds, so long as you don't cheat. If you want to lose weight more quickly than, then you must reduce your caloric intake by a more substantial amount.

    •Belief #3: Large variations in daily caloric intake will cause huge fluctuations in your weight. Wrong. In fact, Dr. Chow's research suggests that large variations in your daily caloric intake will not cause variations in your weight, so long as your average intake over the course of a year is about the same. This has to do with the "time constant" referred to above. The body responds slowly to changes in food intake. This is illustrated by physique athletes who suddenly and dramatically increase their calories in the days immediately following a competition. Their muscles "fill out" and they sometimes end up looking better than they did the day of the competition. A few days later, their caloric intake goes back to normal. Over the course of a year, this short brief of "gluttony" is averaged out and no excess weight is gained.

    •Belief #4: People have gotten fatter in the last 30-40 years because they are less active. Wrong. According to Dr. Chow, starting in the 1970s, changes were made to national agricultural policies that encouraged farmers to engage in full production. Previously, the government had paid farmers not to engage in full production. Around the same time, technological advances were made that increased the efficiency of food production. Combined, this resulted in a dramatic increase in the supply of food available to the average American. It increased by about 1000 Calories a day. The greater the food supply, the more people eat. This is what is responsible for our obesity epidemic.

    •Belief #5: Diets don't work. Wrong again. In fact, Dr. Chow says "All diets work [as long as you cut your calories enough]. But the reaction time is really slow: On the order of a year." Of course, physique athletes know that if you cut more calories and speed up your fat-burning metabolism with bodybuilding-style workouts and quality supplements, you can shorten the "reaction time" dramatically!


    REFERENCE

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/15/sc...sity.html?_r=1
    Good article but some of it is not quite correct cuz I have used nutrient cycling for rapid weight loss very successfully... Also there is a lot of factors like insulin resistance and macronutrient averaging etc. A lot of what said here is true but not always...
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  22. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Good article but some of it is not quite correct cuz I have used nutrient cycling for rapid weight loss very successfully... Also there is a lot of factors like insulin resistance and macronutrient averaging etc. A lot of what said here is true but not always...
    i assume you speak of macro deviations (ie low/no carb, hi-protein etc)..
    altho i do not disagree with you, there are many who do DW - and keep in mind, to my knowledge i am not aware of any "gold standard" of published clinical studies that so many embrace as "proof", that show macro-manuevering to have any bearing on weight-loss. it's all about caloric restriction.
    as i said (and i as i think you know), i agree with you that there is much more to it than that. TEF (thermic effect of food) for example, is huge imo..protein being the most thermic macronutrient we can consume....
    however, that said: i think for the average individual, the basis of the basics is all that is needed.
    it's like anything else in life. you start out ignorant and inexperienced, because you cannot know what you don't know..
    with experience and trial and error, you learn and move along.

    what i personally found interesting in this article, was point #1.
    that is something that is very basic to me, yet not understood by many it seems in this age of charts/graphs/calculations etc.
    point #4 was good too, altho i do think, as a whole, we are a less active species now than 30-40yrs ago.
    the age of electronics & video games has certainly contributed to less activity for the masses - esp youth.

  23. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    i assume you speak of macro deviations (ie low/no carb, hi-protein etc)..
    altho i do not disagree with you, there are many who do DW - and keep in mind, to my knowledge i am not aware of any "gold standard" of published clinical studies that so many embrace as "proof", that show macro-manuevering to have any bearing on weight-loss. it's all about caloric restriction.
    as i said (and i as i think you know), i agree with you that there is much more to it than that. TEF (thermic effect of food) for example, is huge imo..protein being the most thermic macronutrient we can consume....
    however, that said: i think for the average individual, the basis of the basics is all that is needed.
    it's like anything else in life. you start out ignorant and inexperienced, because you cannot know what you don't know..
    with experience and trial and error, you learn and move along.

    what i personally found interesting in this article, was point #1.
    that is something that is very basic to me, yet not understood by many it seems in this age of charts/graphs/calculations etc.
    point #4 was good too, altho i do think, as a whole, we are a less active species now than 30-40yrs ago.
    the age of electronics & video games has certainly contributed to less activity for the masses - esp youth.
    Yah I was not surprised by number one this has to devieate, it only makes sense....

    I am pretty much down with number 4 as well I know we eat more becuase of availibility but we are also not as active like you said... so... the eating is likeley the larger cause.

    I do believe in the average calorie thing for sure, I do calculate over a week but it's likely that it's more of a long term thing. What I have been doing is what I save early in the week I add to my refeed day. So far it's been right on the money.
    Unremarkable is no way to go through life... Doug

  24. the pizza - it was friggin unreal.
    MP, great recipe base!

    made both pizzas tonight..first one up:
    pre-cooked


    cooked



    second one (half of this was mine, half for my son)
    pre-cooked, before cheese topping


    pre-cooked, with cheese


    and i accidentally deleted the cooked version
    but, here's a slice of the cooked meat-za-rilla beast

  25. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0
    the pizza - it was friggin unreal.
    MP, great recipe base!

    made both pizzas tonight..first one up:
    pre-cooked

    cooked

    second one (half of this was mine, half for my son)
    pre-cooked, before cheese topping

    pre-cooked, with cheese

    and i accidentally deleted the cooked version
    but, here's a slice of the cooked meat-za-rilla beast
    Omfg I have to make those

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