Snagency Primordially shifts to V2.0, 16-week bodybuilding prep with Andro Series

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by AZMIDLYF View Post
    I know it is way too early but, what weight do you hope to compete at?
    Wherever I fall in at, brother.
    It makes me no difference. Gotta beat out all the classes to win the overall trophy anyway, right?




  2. Quote Originally Posted by schizm View Post
    Welcome back over Snag! I'll be following along...will be esp interesting if you do decide to toss in Mechabol
    Welcome my friend, great to see you here.
    Mechabol is a done deal, barring any unforseen developments.

    Quote Originally Posted by MrKleen73 View Post
    Great Chest shot Snags. Doesn't look like you have missed a beat.
    Thanks Chris. I don't feel quite the same myself..have lost some muscle mass in my time off.
    I want my back to look like yours in your avi tho when I'm done.
    Great shot yourself.
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  3. In for this one man. 16 week oral cycle gonna be interesting, suppressive or not. Good luck man.
    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleGauge1 View Post
    We can't be affected we must just be injected. Injected with knowledge.
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  4. Quote Originally Posted by NuclearLaunch View Post
    In for this one man. 16 week oral cycle gonna be interesting, suppressive or not. Good luck man.
    Welcome aboard, and thanks.
    16 weeks seemed long to me too, but I'm trusting the safety of the Andro Series product.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    Welcome aboard, and thanks.
    16 weeks seemed long to me too, but I'm trusting the safety of the Andro Series product.
    They won't let you down
    Just inject.
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    Welcome aboard, and thanks.
    16 weeks seemed long to me too, but I'm trusting the safety of the Andro Series product.
    I did 10 weeks of something similar last year and will be doing 12 weeks of 550xd and Epi-v starting late may. I like the idea of the longer run but you have to use the safer products. You should be ok.

  7. Quote Originally Posted by HereToStudy View Post
    They won't let you down
    Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    I did 10 weeks of something similar last year and will be doing 12 weeks of 550xd and Epi-v starting late may. I like the idea of the longer run but you have to use the safer products. You should be ok.
    Counting on the safety factor guys. Truly.
    I'm not the kind of individual who is short-sided and doesn't care about long-term effects, looking at only "today".
    I have confidence in Pp products, and their guidance.


    And a small update..

    To this point, I have been shocked by the rapid bodyfat loss I have experienced in the first 5 days. I took steps to eliminate some water weight last week leading up to the start of my cycle on SAT, and started that day weighing in @197.5lbs. This morning, I weighed in @192.7lbs. Diet has been steady @4k cals, and have trained every day.
    I had also started a fat-burner and TT-33 by iForce last week, figuring I'd prime the metabolism for the increased caloric load..I made the decision to drop those items yesterday. I simply do not believe I need them at this time. Rapid hardening and bf loss @ this caloric load is, even for me, a bit unsettling.

  8. Yah that would be the anabolics, I can eat a lot more on cycle and get away with it, not 4k cals mind you.

  9. Good to see you rolling again big guy! Best wishes!
    "But as for you, be strong and do not give up, for your work will be rewarded."

  10. SO you have essentially dried out in 5 days? More water intake, plus clean eating you think caused a diuretic like effect? because that is rapid....

    -Matt
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by lukehayd View Post
    Good to see you rolling again big guy! Best wishes!
    Heyyy buddy, long time no see.
    Thanks for the wishes, and congrats on your rep position!

    Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    SO you have essentially dried out in 5 days? More water intake, plus clean eating you think caused a diuretic like effect? because that is rapid....

    -Matt
    Indeed, you nailed it. I'm ~2gal h2o daily. I just never had this kind of diuretic effect happen concurrent at this cal intake.
    (actually, never had this kind of diuretic effect this rapidly at ANY cal intake, ha)
    My metabolism is on fire! But i see the point you were making, where weight should stabilize and I should be able to hold it while getting more and more shredded. My dreams of hitting low 3%bf (or lower) one time in my life may just happen here..


  12. Yea hitting that low of BF without looking emaciated is impossible without HORMONES. So I think you can get there, if your willing to dig that deep and not settle for " ehhh I am lean as hell, this will be enough." --- Just suffer and surpass anything you have previously done.

    -Matt

  13. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    Counting on the safety factor guys. Truly.
    I'm not the kind of individual who is short-sided and doesn't care about long-term effects, looking at only "today".
    I have confidence in Pp products, and their guidance.


    And a small update..

    To this point, I have been shocked by the rapid bodyfat loss I have experienced in the first 5 days. I took steps to eliminate some water weight last week leading up to the start of my cycle on SAT, and started that day weighing in @197.5lbs. This morning, I weighed in @192.7lbs. Diet has been steady @4k cals, and have trained every day.
    I had also started a fat-burner and TT-33 by iForce last week, figuring I'd prime the metabolism for the increased caloric load..I made the decision to drop those items yesterday. I simply do not believe I need them at this time. Rapid hardening and bf loss @ this caloric load is, even for me, a bit unsettling.
    same experience i had on AMv3. i did 8 weeks. gained muscle, sure. but lost alot of body fat
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    Heyyy buddy, long time no see.
    Thanks for the wishes, and congrats on your rep position!
    Yeah it's been a while! Thanks, it's teaching me to have a little more patience!
    "But as for you, be strong and do not give up, for your work will be rewarded."

  15. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    Heyyy buddy, long time no see.
    Thanks for the wishes, and congrats on your rep position!



    Indeed, you nailed it. I'm ~2gal h2o daily. I just never had this kind of diuretic effect happen concurrent at this cal intake.
    (actually, never had this kind of diuretic effect this rapidly at ANY cal intake, ha)
    My metabolism is on fire! But i see the point you were making, where weight should stabilize and I should be able to hold it while getting more and more shredded. My dreams of hitting low 3%bf (or lower) one time in my life may just happen here..

    Ha, I couldn't imagine. I would feel like my skin is about to split at any second.
    Just inject.
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  16. Snagency! It's been a long time my friend. Sub'd btw : )
    Primordial Performance
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by MattPorter View Post
    Yea hitting that low of BF without looking emaciated is impossible without HORMONES. So I think you can get there, if your willing to dig that deep and not settle for " ehhh I am lean as hell, this will be enough." --- Just suffer and surpass anything you have previously done.

    -Matt
    Yep, every time I woud go below 6 or 7% the muscle would start to come off or so much water that I would look flat. With my loose skin and lower volume I find I like my look between 6-7% which is not low enough for competition. Age does that to you. I will ease down this summer and see what happens. I am retired from the stage now so don't have to go crazy ...

  18. @ Matt - suffer? I don't know if that's the right word. I've never looked at controlling diet parameters tightly as suffering, just a means to an end. But yeah - surpass anything I've ever done is the goal, of course.
    I will be disappointed if that is not the result.

    @ R1Balla - thx for that feedback, and as I'm looking thru some others feedback I'm seeing this is not an uncommon thing.
    (makes me feel better)

    @ lukehayd - trust me when I tell you, I totally understand the frustrations of being a rep.
    But learning a lil more patience is never a bad thing. Expands personal growth.

    @ HereToStudy - I love the feeling of carrying low bf. I think lowest I ever been (confirmed) was 4.2%..
    I'm out to obliterate that.

    @ rulk22 - Hey big guy! Long time for sure! Man it is so cool seeing you guys from yester-year drop in..
    Hope all is well with you, and thanks for your support!

  19. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yep, every time I woud go below 6 or 7% the muscle would start to come off or so much water that I would look flat. With my loose skin and lower volume I find I like my look between 6-7% which is not low enough for competition. Age does that to you. I will ease down this summer and see what happens. I am retired from the stage now so don't have to go crazy ...
    I think that's what was freaking me out a smidge too, seeing loose skin on me. Always correlated that with losing weight too fast, so therefore losing muscle weight as well. Not cool.
    I enjoy quick transformations, but there's a point to the "quickness" you do not want to exceed.

  20. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    I think that's what was freaking me out a smidge too, seeing loose skin on me. Always correlated that with losing weight too fast, so therefore losing muscle weight as well. Not cool.
    I enjoy quick transformations, but there's a point to the "quickness" you do not want to exceed.
    Yah even when I went extremely slow I got the same thing, I will go even slower this year and take it as it comes. I didn not go to high in weight this off season so that might have a positive effect as well. Age is the problem I think though. I am thinking surgery would be the only answer and I can't justify that.

  21. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    Yah even when I went extremely slow I got the same thing, I will go even slower this year and take it as it comes. I didn not go to high in weight this off season so that might have a positive effect as well. Age is the problem I think though. I am thinking surgery would be the only answer and I can't justify that.
    Too true. (and of course, as I get older that fear is a worry for me as well)
    You can do many things to slow to progression of age-related issues, but bottom line is: you cannot beat Father Time forever.
    And each of us face our own genetic time clock, further impacted by things even the best of intentions cannot control.

    ekk..you're depressing me this morning, DW.

  22. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    Too true. (and of course, as I get older that fear is a worry for me as well)
    You can do many things to slow to progression of age-related issues, but bottom line is: you cannot beat Father Time forever.
    And each of us face our own genetic time clock, further impacted by things even the best of intentions cannot control.

    ekk..you're depressing me this morning, DW.
    A long way away for you... and you'll be fine with it when you get there, I am plenty happy with me physique and who I have become. Limitations are part of life, can't smash them all but we make our mark trying and I will never stop doing that...

    ohhh I see another old fugger quote there

  23. Quote Originally Posted by DreamWeaver View Post
    A long way away for you... and you'll be fine with it when you get there, I am plenty happy with me physique and who I have become. Limitations are part of life, can't smash them all but we make our mark trying and I will never stop doing that...

    ohhh I see another old fugger quote there
    Golden quote.
    (not age-related golden, but rather value-related golden, my friend.)
    Getting older and comfortable with yourself is..priceless.

  24. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    Golden quote.
    (not age-related golden, but rather value-related golden, my friend.)
    Getting older and comfortable with yourself is..priceless.
    Here's the quote revamped a bit...

    "Getting older is a reality we all have to live with. I am plenty happy with my physique and who I have become. Limitations are part of life, can't smash them all but we make our mark by trying ..." Old Fugger...

  25. I do love this diet.
    Couple kabobs (12oz beef) with a 4oz salad on the side for dinner.
    Crazy updates and pic coming SAT guys..see ya then.
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  26. Hah, I was wondering when the infamous Snag food shots would be showing up! Looks tasty bubba.
    Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons

  27. Quote Originally Posted by snagencyV2.0 View Post
    I do love this diet.
    Couple kabobs (12oz beef) with a 4oz salad on the side for dinner.
    Crazy updates and pic coming SAT guys..see ya then.
    There he goes with the food porn again .. was only a matter of time

  28. Good to see the meal pics again!
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  29. END WEEK #1
    15 WEEKS OUT FROM SHOW


    Interesting first week..

    Weight: 191.5 this morning, seems to be stabilizing a bit toward the last part of week..down 6lbs total first week, @4k cals daily. Diuretic effect from clean dieting+increased water intake, even at gross caloric excess, has been nuts.

    Strength: Tough to gauge definitively at this point, since I'm coming into prep from a "down" mode. Things have progressed very well to this point, and I am very pleased with overall strength, considering where I am at this point in time.

    Stamina: Well, still a ways to go..not even close to where my normalcy lies yet.

    Libido: Couple days ago, started noticing an increase in desire and sensitivy..

    Drive: This has been fantastic. Now, of course I am ready to get cracking from all the rest I've had in prior months leading up to this, but there is definitely no hesitation or "blah" feeling when it comes time to hit the weights.

    Recovery:This has been surprisingly good..figured I'd be sore as hell with the increased activity, but, other than legs being a tad tender after mauling them with ATG squats the other day (and tennis day before that -- normal soreness), I've felt very refreshed at all times.

    I will be better able to gauge these things going forward, when things like muscle memory and acclimation to accustomed usual activity level out. So far, I do feel an impact on all these things from the AMv3..I just can't finger the full effect at this point.

    And, I am not at full speed yet. Just like diet and training will change as we progress, so too will my intensity and effort.
    For now, I am very pleased. I have even accepted the fact that I will lose a lil weight, take a "step back" so-to-speak on size, before I will move forward. Clean dieting and increased activity level are all skewing the landscape right now.

    OVERALL RATING, WEEK 1: To quote the late, great James Brown:
    I feel good.
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  30. Even taking a break for a while, you're still looking built! Be ripped in no time!
    "But as for you, be strong and do not give up, for your work will be rewarded."
  

  
 

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