Snagency Primordially shifts to V2.0, 16-week bodybuilding prep with Andro Series
- 04-26-2012, 09:24 AM
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- 04-26-2012, 09:34 AM
Nice adjustment! What was the result you wake up fuller?Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
- 04-26-2012, 09:35 AM
as for advice - no, i am designing my diet on my own. i may bounce some ideas off Matt here & there, and he does give me his .02 when asked for, but you know me DW - i'm a lil hard-headed and have to figure things out for myself, most of the time.
it's how i've gotten to where i'm at, and it defines me as a person.
if i screw it up, i have no one to blame but myself. that's just how i learn.
adjustments will be made going forward, i should be all right in a day or two.
04-26-2012, 10:26 AM
Could have been the extra salt in the sweet and salty bars combined with that pasta it is a recipe for a little water sub -q.
Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
04-26-2012, 11:05 AM
one thing I did discuss with Matt - he is a big fan of utilizing salt thruout prep..makes lower carbs & final weeks of process much easier.
so, with that in mind, I have upped my salt intake, and the deli meats I been eating here recently (altho good macros for my purposes) do of course contain a tremendous amount of sodium, like ~350mg per 2oz serving, and I'm eating multiple servings..also, I've always salted my cooked eggs and hard-boiled egg whites generously, sweet potatoes and black beans as well..the protein powders I'm using have fair amounts of sodium included..
but yeah - sodium intake was much higher than usual yesterday..think you nailed the "look" I have today to a T.
04-26-2012, 11:57 AM
I am a firm believer that unless you have problems with blood pressure that controlling your insulin does not correct there is no real reason to limit sodium intake so long as you are not using so much that you are throwing your electrolytes completely out of balance.
However if I take in much over 200-250 grams of carbs in a day while eating some things with more salt than normal I smooth out quickly. Tortilla Chips at a restaraunt is probably one of the times I see that the most. I can get a little out of hand with them if I am not careful even when it is a free day.
Live Hard, Laugh Hard, Love Hard and Heal Fast! - KLEEN
04-26-2012, 12:57 PM
Good stuff Kleen..
and - further confirmation that your diagnosis is a strong one:
weight today was 190.8(!!!) upon rising, a bigger jump than usual.
also, joints were tighter and stiffer than usual..no doubt, I'm holding more water than usual.
All that said - the workout was an absolutely incredible session! And the pump - my gawd..
couple pics, first one showing my sweat (thru the UnderArmour and the sweatshirt), in a bit cooler environment this morning..and a couple showing off my pumped-ness.
This will have to do for progress pics for the week, as I'm dropping back to every-other-Saturday full-body shots now.
(you guys will get bored seeing me every week, anyway - we don't want that>>>>)
04-26-2012, 01:07 PM
Holy Thickness Batman! Bane is on the loose again! Looking awesome!
04-26-2012, 01:17 PM
hard to believe i was almost ~5lbs lighter and flat as hell yesterday morning - hence the decision to do something drastic.
hardening week is over..scrap that idea at this stage of the game.
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(I just have to stop erring on the side of caution here, and let go..AMv3 has allowed me much greater leeway on metabolizing both carbs and fats, and I need to recognize this fully and stop being gun-shy, pull that damn trigger already lol..androgenic activity is no joke)
04-27-2012, 10:28 AM
Time for the "Old Dog" to learn some new tricks! Change is good, and fun sometimes. Lol
Always open light. Itís not what you open with, itís what you finish with. Louie Simmons
04-27-2012, 10:55 AM
In your current condition with the anabolics in tow you will have plenty of time to learn tricks. You definitely have a little time to feed yourself and take advantage of the chance to recomp a bit.
04-27-2012, 12:55 PM
Lotta change, in my life these days. I embrace it!
I tend to forget - in 3 weeks, the other half of the arsenal will be coming into play, and then Mechabol another 2 weeks after that.
plenty of cool hardeniing compounds to rely on....absolutely NO need to worry about hardening at this point.
I'm on track, and still a bit ahead I feel..how different, this prep from other preps: before, I try to cram in all my fat loss in 12 weeks or less, and I've entered those phases with a lot more bf than I did with this one (altho musculature was ahead of where I was entering this prep too)..
Definitely a different approach is called for, here.
04-27-2012, 01:07 PM
04-27-2012, 03:33 PM
Doug, I thought you knew him better than that. His idea of cruising is Downshifting and putting the pedal to the floor! LOL
04-27-2012, 03:36 PM
Snags, I am eyeballing that Mechabol too... I am extending my current run for the little contest we have going and am trying to figure out exactly what I want to add in. Part of me is thinking maybe I will add in some AndroHard, which sounds awesome but I have to talk myself out of the money for it, the other is looking at Halo and or Mechabol.
04-27-2012, 04:05 PM
LOL on downshift and redlining it, ahahaa!
As for your options Chris - a little out of my league, to recommend for you brother..interesting choices, however.
I do know I am extremely excited to run AndroHard, as it has some very unique properties I can sink my teeth into..remember, AH also functions as an anti-estrogen.
(not forgetting about AndroLean either, but I've read a whole lot more on AH)
There is a coupon to be had on AH as well..HereToStudy can get you set there.
The mechabol -- yes, intriquing as hell, and I'm curious what it will add in the stack, but quite honestly that is the only one I am even remotely concerned about producing bad sides. I know from lit it looks to be pretty safe, but I cannot get my head around it yet..mine arrived last week.
Halo - well, obviously pretty potent bro, and pretty harsh..I'd have more concern with that, than with mechabol; and from what I read, mechabol would be more potent and useful for your use than halo.
I'm sure you'll pick the best option, for your own situation and comfort.
04-27-2012, 05:04 PM
The reason I am looking at Mechabol over Halo is that it is stronger MG per MG, and the methylation is not so bad, same as with Halo but since you need a higher dose with halo that means more for your liver to deal with. So Mechabol wins out based on safety. Honestly with either one you aren't looking at anything too bad they are both considered some of the mildest methyls you can get your hands on.
I was also looking at Stanodrol which is the main ingredient in Androhard but missing a few things that it has.
04-27-2012, 05:24 PM
The P-Mag in Mechabol sets it apart, imo..gives a more androgenic-anabolic profile.
I'm not a fan of halo, like you say needs to be dosed higher..also, think you will be drier with mechabol than halo.
Safety is a rather important issue for me..methyls scare me.
04-27-2012, 05:54 PM
i am definitely not versed in nomenclatures, but AH is 3a-enanthoxy-5a-androstan-17-one.this nomenclature isn't right: 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-17-one, because if we rearrange this to make sense this is what you get: 5a-androst-3-one-17b-ol. This this is plain dihydrotestosterone aka DHT, an a illegal compound. But then, they could be intending it to be 5-Androsten-3beta-ol-17-one, which would be DHEA (and legal), but they left out the ene in the nomenclature on the packaging. If it was DHEA, it would look like this: 5a-androsten-3-one-17b-ol, so something is not right.
When you rearranged the nomenclature, your 3b-hydroxy (-ol) became 3-ketone (-one), and your 17-ketone became 17b-hydroxy. The rearranged should read: 5a-androst-17-one-3b-ol. This is a 2-step conversion to stanolone via the 3b-HSD and 17b-HSD enzymes. If the 17-one converts to 17b-ol, and the 3b-ol converts to 3-one, then you have stanolone (DHT), which is what is claimed.
EDIT: oh n/m, i see they are both epiandrosterone.
the difference being: AH is utilizing Liqua-Vade technology for product delivery, which should give you 3x better absorption than a stand alone compound..
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04-28-2012, 01:15 PM
yeah, me too..looking forward immensely to the AndroHARD/AndroLEAN 1-2 punch coming up -- not only because my curiosity is peaked on the products, but also because it means I'll be that much closer to the finish line and dialed in accordingly!
not going to look past these last 3 weeks on AndroMASS tho..it's been one helluva run, and a fun (if sometimes freaky) learning experience..
a note on training:
fantastic back/abs session this morning, as I utilized some different combinations today.
pull-ups, behind-neck cable pulldowns, straight-arm DB pullovers, and regular deadlifts were the order of the day, followed by ab work which included DB side-bends.
(will be interesting to see how tomorrow goes, when I run DB explosive jump squats and GHR's a day following DLs..looking forward to it!)
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