AndorMass/AndroHard Cycle Help

[kc777]

Okay so from what I've been able to find online 4-DHEA cannot act on the ER directly, so any estrogen related sides would be from aromatization.

At this point should I start a small dose of erase and keep the AM at 4 caps? Or would I be better to just drop it and finish the 2 bottles of AH V2? I wanted to hopefully gain on this cycle, but if that means developing gyno then I'll just run the AH and eat as much as I can. How long does gyno take to develop? Is a slight tinge for about 1 hour after dosing something to worry about? Any help would be great, thanks guys.

[HereToStudy]

If you are confident the reaction is legit, then try the Erase and see if it helps.

[kc777]

If you are confident the reaction is legit, then try the Erase and see if it helps.

Would a SERM be better? Opinions and experiences would be great! Thanks

[MattPorter]

Okay so from what I've been able to find online 4-DHEA cannot act on the ER directly, so any estrogen related sides would be from aromatization.

At this point should I start a small dose of erase and keep the AM at 4 caps? Or would I be better to just drop it and finish the 2 bottles of AH V2? I wanted to hopefully gain on this cycle, but if that means developing gyno then I'll just run the AH and eat as much as I can. How long does gyno take to develop? Is a slight tinge for about 1 hour after dosing something to worry about? Any help would be great, thanks guys.

It was originally claimed (4AD) that it was free of estrogenic side effects when released in late 90's early 2000's....this was great marketing but very misleading....Bill Roberts helped these claims circulate the industry.

However most DIOL based hormones will affect the ER to a certain extent. Even 5-androSTANediol some what interacts with the ER.

So with the enzymatic conversion steps that take place from 4DHEA--4DIONE---DIOL etc... you get some aromatization from the dione and some mild direct ER agonizing from the DIOL.

I will post a reference once I find it through all of these folders here...

Anyways -- I KNOW 4ADIOL will cause estrogenic symptoms as my good friend who NEVER put on BF% , water bloat etc...

finally took off into new territory of MASS than ever before --- he ran 1500 mgs of 4AD....

He was big, full and watery, but he finally put on some serious size.

-Matt

[kc777]

However most DIOL based hormones will affect the ER to a certain extent. Even 5-androSTANediol some what interacts with the ER.

-Matt

Awesome info! Thanks!

Can you help me understand what a "DIOL" based hormone is? Are all DHEA isomers DIOL hormones? Also again would I be better running an AI or a SERM on cycle to prevent these types of sides.

Most all the literature I see recommends AI's on cycle to "keep estrogen under control"; however, I feel my problem is coming from ER binding, not elevated E2. Back when I tried AndroLean I lactated on the 6th day running that compound. I freaked and had immediate blood done, only to show E2 levels in the mid 20's and test levels in the high 600's.