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    Looking to support PP by picking up some of the hormonal stuff. I started epi on monday and would like to add in something else. I haven't ran anything in about 2 years and i'm ready to go balls to the wall. What product would be best to stack with epistane? Thanks in advance.

    P.S. I plan to run epi at 20/30/40/40. If you recommend a product, please provide a good dosing scheme given what im currently running

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    Looking to support PP by picking up some of the hormonal stuff. I started epi on monday and would like to add in something else. I haven't ran anything in about 2 years and i'm ready to go balls to the wall. What product would be best to stack with epistane? Thanks in advance.

    P.S. I plan to run epi at 20/30/40/40. If you recommend a product, please provide a good dosing scheme given what im currently running
    Take a look at our Dermacrine Muscle Stack. It will stack very well with the Epi, and this stack also contains the products for your PCT. You can't beat the price right now either with 30% that stack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    Looking to support PP by picking up some of the hormonal stuff. I started epi on monday and would like to add in something else. I haven't ran anything in about 2 years and i'm ready to go balls to the wall. What product would be best to stack with epistane? Thanks in advance.

    P.S. I plan to run epi at 20/30/40/40. If you recommend a product, please provide a good dosing scheme given what im currently running
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    looking for all out mass
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    looking for all out mass
    Then I agree with John:
    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    Take a look at our Dermacrine Muscle Stack. It will stack very well with the Epi, and this stack also contains the products for your PCT...
    If you go with the Dermacrine Muscle Stack, attached (or you can read it on our website) is the dosing/timing for each product in the stack (dose/time Epi as planned).

    Please note that if you use the ORAL Dermacrine Muscle Stack replace the 5 pumps of Dermacrine topical recommended with 4-5ml of Dermacrine Liqua-Vade in the dosing instructions attached.

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    curious as to why you recommend dermacrine over 1-t and turinabol?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    curious as to why you recommend dermacrine over 1-t and turinabol?
    Turinabol-LV is methylated. Wouldn't make a great combination with Epi, which is also methylated.

    1-T would be effective as well, Personally for me I think the decision would be a toss up between 1-T and Dermacrine, but more people seem to prefer Dermacrine as opposed to to 1-T for stacking.
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    You can stack either the Dermacrine or 1-T with the Epi, but I think Dermacrine will be the better option. It will add support for libido and lethargy issues which can be a problem with many cycles.



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    good info.. ive been searching for epi/derma epi/1-t stacks and not coming up with much. i like your rationale trauma
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    You can stack either the Dermacrine or 1-T with the Epi, but I think Dermacrine will be the better option. It will add support for libido and lethargy issues which can be a problem with many cycles.
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    im wondering in terms of shutdown how much more derma or 1-t will contribute. im thinking derma would be less. but either way ill be shutdown so it doesnt matter lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    im wondering in terms of shutdown how much more derma or 1-t will contribute. im thinking derma would be less. but either way ill be shutdown so it doesnt matter lol.
    1T would be my recommendation, but make sure (and I cannot stress this enough) that you eat at least 3-4 servings of fruit. Keeping liver glycogen full is paramount to lowering the lethargy from strong compounds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    1T would be my recommendation, but make sure (and I cannot stress this enough) that you eat at least 3-4 servings of fruit. Keeping liver glycogen full is paramount to lowering the lethargy from strong compounds.
    In addition, make sure you utilize Fish Oil and up your water intake. The combination of the two, 1-T and Epistane, will be pretty dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    In addition, make sure you utilize Fish Oil and up your water intake. The combination of the two, 1-T and Epistane, will be pretty dry.
    Absolutely.
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    great advice. i have a bunch of cycle support and fish oil to take throughout. just ordered myself some 1-t. hopefully it'll get here soon so i can run it in with my epi. should be a killer bulk cycle
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    great advice. i have a bunch of cycle support and fish oil to take throughout. just ordered myself some 1-t. hopefully it'll get here soon so i can run it in with my epi. should be a killer bulk cycle
    Do you plan on logging it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post
    Do you plan on logging it?
    If you do, that would be awesome, and definitely informative for others thinking of running this or similar cycles.
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    sure i dont see why not. i used to log ALOT over at bulknutrition but they shutdown the forums. still debating if i want to run sustain in my pct. kindof strapped for money at the moment so cant really order anything else at this point. so far i just have clomid (yea yea i should have everything before the cycle). but all i really need is a test booster/AI in addition to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    sure i dont see why not. i used to log ALOT over at bulknutrition but they shutdown the forums. still debating if i want to run sustain in my pct. kindof strapped for money at the moment so cant really order anything else at this point. so far i just have clomid (yea yea i should have everything before the cycle). but all i really need is a test booster/AI in addition to it.
    Sustain Alpha is well worth the investment, and would be an excellent post-cycle addition. However, since you already have Clomid on hand, PP's TCF-1 could serve as a less costly solution to help up-regulate testosterone production during your PCT.
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    i was thinking either that or something along the lines of testopro since ive heard nothing but great reviews. oh yea i also have toco-8
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    i was thinking either that or something along the lines of testopro since ive heard nothing but great reviews. oh yea i also have toco-8
    If you get Sustain Alpha, I recommend using the transdermal version - for me it was more effective, and I prefer it over the liqua-vade version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    i was thinking either that or something along the lines of testopro since ive heard nothing but great reviews. oh yea i also have toco-8
    Well, Sustain Alpha and Testopro are about the same price. If I had to choose one or the other, I'd personally go with Sustain Alpha; specifically for its estrogen control, libido support, and test boosting properties.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    ...I'd personally go with Sustain Alpha; specifically for its estrogen control, libido support, and test boosting properties.
    ^^^x2, but that's also because I've used it and loved it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosie Chee Scott View Post
    ^^^x2, but that's also because I've used it and loved it
    Same here!
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Same here!
    It's almost time to use it again soon too, methinks Maybe to start 2011 off . . .
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    how should i run the 1-t? was thinking 5ml twice a day for 25 days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    how should i run the 1-t? was thinking 5ml twice a day for 25 days?
    I take it you have the Liqua-Vade version of 1-T.

    As recommended at 1-T Liqua-Vade product Facts:
    As a dietary supplement take one 4-5mL dose, 1-2 times daily, 12 hours apart. Shake bottle well before each dose. Take with or without meals.

    To assess tolerance, start with one 4-5mL dose daily, taken in the morning. Take up to two (2) 4-5mL servings per day after 5-7 days.

    Consume within 6 hours if mixing with beverage.
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    First off id like to say thank you for the support, its definately appreciated!!

    Also like the others have said, keeping water up along with electrolytes and fruit in the diet will help a lot.

    1T and Epi will definately be dry but your gonna be strong, add mass, and look like a beast.

    As far as PCT goes Sustain Alpha is an awesome choice, but if you are planning to go with the clomid then TCF-1 is a great addition to it. If you try the TCF-1 try taking a dose pre workout, AWESOME time to take it to amp you up and get you into beast mode!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    If you try the TCF-1 try taking a dose pre workout, AWESOME time to take it to amp you up and get you into beast mode!!
    Agreed! TCF-1 is definitely one of the fastest-acting supplements I've experienced to date.
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    I also noticed on re-read that you have Toco-8, great staple product and an awesome product to be used during PCT as well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 3clipseGT View Post
    First off id like to say thank you for the support, its definately appreciated!!

    Also like the others have said, keeping water up along with electrolytes and fruit in the diet will help a lot.

    1T and Epi will definately be dry but your gonna be strong, add mass, and look like a beast.

    As far as PCT goes Sustain Alpha is an awesome choice, but if you are planning to go with the clomid then TCF-1 is a great addition to it. If you try the TCF-1 try taking a dose pre workout, AWESOME time to take it to amp you up and get you into beast mode!!
    Why do you recommend the TCF-1 instead of sustain alpha if he already has clomid in the PCT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by imjuschillin View Post
    Why do you recommend the TCF-1 instead of sustain alpha if he already has clomid in the PCT?
    Sustain Alpha not only contains test-boosting properties, but it also provides additional estrogen control; while TCF-1 primarily aids in the up-regulation of one's testosterone levels post-cycle. Both are advised because they essentially work synergistically with Clomid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Sustain Alpha not only contains test-boosting properties, but it also provides additional estrogen control; while TCF-1 primarily aids in the up-regulation of one's testosterone levels post-cycle. Both are advised because they essentially work synergistically with Clomid.
    OK, so say, Clomid, SA, TCF-1, perhaps followed by endoamp would be a solid PCT for most cycles?
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    Quote Originally Posted by imjuschillin View Post
    OK, so say, Clomid, SA, TCF-1, perhaps followed by endoamp would be a solid PCT for most cycles?
    Absolutely, but that also depends on the duration of your proposed cycle and how harsh the hormonal compound is.
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    I've used dermacrine on my last couple cycles (Epi and SD). it's done a great job keeping my libido up and fending of lethargy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by delsolrob View Post
    I've used dermacrine on my last couple cycles (Epi and SD). it's done a great job keeping my libido up and fending of lethargy!
    Dermacrine is always a good choice, I wish I had added it to the cycle I am currently on . Im going to grab a bottle or two for my next cycle.
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    i havent really done much research into tcf-1 yet. ill look into it today. to be honest (i wasnt going to bring this up) i ran the trs stack maybe 6-7 months ago by itself to get a little boost as i suffer from low T levels. unfortunately, i didnt notice very much from it (other than highly elevated LH and prolactin levels; my bloods confirmed this). i ended up with a case of gyno, which resolved itself in a matter of months. I think the gyno was due to the SA which is why im weary of purchasing it again. my friend who also ran the SA ended up with gyno as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cbr1000rr View Post
    i havent really done much research into tcf-1 yet. ill look into it today. to be honest (i wasnt going to bring this up) i ran the trs stack maybe 6-7 months ago by itself to get a little boost as i suffer from low T levels. unfortunately, i didnt notice very much from it (other than highly elevated LH and prolactin levels; my bloods confirmed this). i ended up with a case of gyno, which resolved itself in a matter of months. I think the gyno was due to the SA which is why im weary of purchasing it again. my friend who also ran the SA ended up with gyno as well.
    Had you previously ran anything hormonal before supplementing the TRS? Also, are you sure you weren't just experiencing gyno-like symptoms (i.e. itchiness, puffiness, sensitivity)?
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    no i havent.. as i said earlier i havent ran anything hormonal in probably like 2 years. it was def gyno confirmed by a surgeon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoopem6 View Post
    Had you previously ran anything hormonal before supplementing the TRS? Also, are you sure you weren't just experiencing gyno-like symptoms (i.e. itchiness, puffiness, sensitivity)?
    I was going to ask the same thing. Having used Sustain Alpha - both the topical and liqua-vade versions - I had no issues with them, and if there had been any "sides", being a female, I would have been affected more than any male.

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