- 04-19-2010, 05:56 PM
Okay, I located a superdrone seller - thanks for the PMs!
Based on all the reading I've done, SD gives great gains, but a bridge is needed to maintain those gains as long as possible (to keep as much as possible). Many recommend the following cycle/bridge:
Superdrone - 10/20/20
Epi - 0/0/30/40/40/40.
All along, I was assuming my 6-weeks cycle would look like this:
SD - 10/20/20/20
Epi - 0/0/0/30/40.
My thought was - use SD as long as possible to put on as much size as possible (so extend SD to 4 weeks) and then use Epi for the remaining 2 weeks to attempt to maintain. What am I missing??
- 04-19-2010, 06:03 PM
04-19-2010, 06:15 PM
04-19-2010, 06:33 PM
Thanks man – I guess that would help.
I’m mid-30s, 6’1” tall, about 215 lbs. Bodyfat is probably around 12%. Have been working out on and off for years (mostly to supplement College Football or MMA training). About 2 years ago, I started training with a champion natural bodybuilder. Have been much more serious since then. I eat approx. 6 – 7 meals per day, usually about 2 cups of boiled chicken (sometimes red meat or fish) per meal with 1.5/1.5/1 /0.75/0.5/0/0 cups of complex carbs per meal and lots of leafy greens with avocado, walnuts and olives. Supplements include multivitamin, BCAAs, ZMA at bedtime, Citrulline pre-workout, fish oil and olive oil. And, I do the typical whey pre/post workout shakes.
I plan to do one cycle. If results are great, I’m done. So, I’m basically looking to maximize gains to the extent possible and hopefully lose some BF – as doing one of these cycles is incredibly difficult (I travel a lot for work and need to fit in a cycle between trips, as it's hard to find decent gyms in many international locations). I have some experience with EPI and thought is was good. Don’t know Xtren at all (comments?).
So, the theory is – gain as much as possible with SD and then bridge to something else to maintain the gains as long as possible to keep them once off cycle. Under this theory, I was assuming I would stay on SD as long as possible (4 weeks) to get as much as possible out of it and then switch to something else (for remaining 2 weeks). Can anyone explain why most people recommend SD be taken only for 3 weeks and then bridge to Epi (or Xtren). Any advice or help would be totally appreciated!
04-19-2010, 06:34 PM
04-19-2010, 06:40 PM
SD is very toxic. Limiting yourself to 2-3 weeks eases the pressure on your liver. The rapid weight and strength gains from SD are mainly water and glycogen. 4 additional weeks of epi cements these strength and hypertrophy gains. there are slight variations of these bridges but your first option listed is what i have done.
04-19-2010, 07:05 PM
04-19-2010, 08:09 PM
it was ok. SD didnt really give me much strength or weight gains despite a bulking diet, so the following 4 weeks of epi weren't all that swell either.
I've have more success with epi/19-nor tren x 6 weeks. trouble with that is, at least for me, libido is zero. SD/epi that wasnt a problem. But for the small gains i got, the toxicity wasn't worth it. i'm going to try epi/eq-plex next time.
04-20-2010, 08:24 AM
Ok, this makes sense. Doing a straight 4 weeks of SD is one thing. But the bridge cycle is 6 weeks and both products are methylated . So the idea is to limit the more toxic SD given the prolonged period that I'm stressing my liver. Thanks!
04-20-2010, 10:43 AM
04-20-2010, 04:32 PM
So basically, the cycle/PCT looks like this:
pre-cycle 2 weeks of either AI's Life Support or Liver Juice (as I mentioned elsewhere, I can't decide between these 2 - LS has Hawthorne Barry and Red Yeast Rice, but LJ seems to have beeter absorbing Milk Thistle).
wk 1 - 6:
Either LS or LJ
Either LS or LJ
Tamox - 20/20/10/10/0/0
AI's Formex - 25 EOD/25 EOD/25 ED/25 ED/25 EOD/ 25 EOD
Lean Xtreme - 0/0/3/3/3/3 per day
2 more questions -
I know that grapefruit juice helps absorption of some drugs and it was recommended to be taken with EPI. And, I know that milk and coffee are no-nos with some drugs. Haven't seen much on what TO take or what NOT to take with SD.
Also - with EPI, it's best to take the first dose at like 4 a.m. when T levels are highest, but what about dosing times for SD? Is SD best taken at similar times for similar reasons??
Thanks for any/all advice.
04-21-2010, 09:10 AM
Dosing should be as follows:
Wk 1 - 10mg SD am
Wk 2 - 10mg SD am, 10mg SD 8-12 hours after 1st dose
Wk 3 - 10mg SD & 20 mg EPI am, 10mg SD 20mg EPI 8-12 hours after 1st dose
Wk 4-6 - same as week 3 except no SD
04-21-2010, 11:33 AM
Okay, thanks for all the help.
I would have thought the PP Reps would have jumped on this to advise on when to take/with what to take. Oh well ...
04-21-2010, 06:48 PM
04-21-2010, 06:56 PM
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