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    LV products - Sort of disappointed :o(


    Disclaimer: I am a HUGE fan of PPP products

    That said: As excited as I was to see PP begin to launch a line of LV-technology-based products, I am very disappointed to see recent releases of LV products (SD+Turinabol for example) are methylated!

    WHY? I thought the entire fundamental principle of LV and equal appeal for the user was superior ORAL bioavailibility while avoiding the need for TOXIC methylated 17-aa versions.

    I look forward to your response
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    I don't think that the reason behind LV technology was to avoid liver toxicity...they produced products that the general public (meaning on these open forums) wanted...and why not produce something that was requested seeing it as in a business stand point of view as long as the products are legal to sell?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whacked View Post
    Disclaimer: I am a HUGE fan of PPP products

    That said: As excited as I was to see PP begin to launch a line of LV-technology-based products, I am very disappointed to see recent releases of LV products (SD+Turinabol for example) are methylated!

    WHY? I thought the entire fundamental principle of LV and equal appeal for the user was superior ORAL bioavailibility while avoiding the need for TOXIC methylated 17-aa versions.

    I look forward to your response
    Thanks PP
    It allows for dosing flexibility ( having them in liquid form) which a ton of people wanted.

    they have a product suggestion thread at PP's home site. You can suggest products YOU think would make good LV products there.
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    well regardless of methylation it still helps with absorption...even tho a product is methylated doesnt mean your getting the full potential out of the compound....maybe im wrong here???
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    if they weren't methylated they'd act completely different in the body... granted i wouldn't mind having an oral version of masteron lol
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    They have formestane LV and they said that Fura LV is a possibility so that would give you a few more options.
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    I agree with everyone above, the LV technology was specifically designed to improve bioavailability, so that trainees could be confident that they were getting an exact dosage of the compound ingested.

    From a hepatotoxicity standpoint, no we couldn't necessarily make certain compounds less toxic due to methylation, but the LV technology allows you to dose certain compounds lower (e.g. SD) therefore reducing the liver toxicity overall.

    I think you should also post in the suggestion thread too, it would be great to have your feedback.
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    I agree with everyone above, the LV technology was specifically designed to improve bioavailability, so that trainees could be confident that they were getting an exact dosage of the compound ingested.

    From a hepatotoxicity standpoint, no we couldn't necessarily make certain compounds less toxic due to methylation, but the LV technology allows you to dose certain compounds lower (e.g. SD) therefore reducing the liver toxicity overall.

    I think you should also post in the suggestion thread too, it would be great to have your feedback.
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    i think a non-methyl version of superdrol couldn't be absorbed orally (since the liver would destroy it), so it would have to be dosed rectally. i'd hate to see the "logs".

    man, i've been waiting to use that pun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    i think a non-methyl version of superdrol couldn't be absorbed orally (since the liver would destroy it), so it would have to be dosed rectally. i'd hate to see the "logs".

    man, i've been waiting to use that pun.
    Yeah, I know what you mean, that doesn't mean I can't dream of a world where steroids aren't destroyed in the liver haha one shot of test would last you basically until it expired in your blood in my world... and suppression would be no problem
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    Rectally, huh... That would require a different dropper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n87 View Post
    Rectally, huh... That would require a different dropper.
    LOL. Just use the LV with a turkey baster. Let me know what kinda gains you get.
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    Quote Originally Posted by suncloud View Post
    i think a non-methyl version of superdrol couldn't be absorbed orally (since the liver would destroy it), so it would have to be dosed rectally. i'd hate to see the "logs".

    man, i've been waiting to use that pun.
    It would also be completely illegal haha
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    Quote Originally Posted by fightbackhxc View Post
    well regardless of methylation it still helps with absorption...even tho a product is methylated doesnt mean your getting the full potential out of the compound....maybe im wrong here???
    I agree totally here. The methylation allows the aas to pass through the liver. It still has to be absorbed once ingested. This is why I don't understand why people suggest u don't need to take methyl aas with fats. Fat hepls the absorption of any hormone. This is why LV tech is still helpful even with methyl aas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz View Post
    I don't think that the reason behind LV technology was to avoid liver toxicity...they produced products that the general public (meaning on these open forums) wanted...and why not produce something that was requested seeing it as in a business stand point of view as long as the products are legal to sell?
    Although this may be what people want continued production of PH's will eventully give the feds all the fuel they need to regulate the industry. Companies should be focusing on making effective and safe natural supplements. If the industry won't self regulate the government will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BBB View Post
    Although this may be what people want continued production of PH's will eventully give the feds all the fuel they need to regulate the industry. Companies should be focusing on making effective and safe natural supplements. If the industry won't self regulate the government will.
    The government does regulate and they will eventually, but until then...PP produces products which are not illegal or banned, plus they preach on how to do proper pct after each cycle.

    So basically they say, we will make "x product" but please take "y product" which we made specifically for "x product" to recover nicely and you maybe able avoid certain meds and/or research chems you get on the black market.

    I've seen many people take methylated or certain compounds and not take a SERM in pct and recover nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldogz View Post
    The government does regulate and they will eventually, but until then...PP produces products which are not illegal or banned, plus they preach on how to do proper pct after each cycle.

    So basically they say, we will make "x product" but please take "y product" which we made specifically for "x product" to recover nicely and you maybe able avoid certain meds and/or research chems you get on the black market.

    I've seen many people take methylated or certain compounds and not take a SERM in pct and recover nicely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UKStrength View Post
    I agree with everyone above, the LV technology was specifically designed to improve bioavailability, so that trainees could be confident that they were getting an exact dosage of the compound ingested.

    From a hepatotoxicity standpoint, no we couldn't necessarily make certain compounds less toxic due to methylation, but the LV technology allows you to dose certain compounds lower (e.g. SD) therefore reducing the liver toxicity overall.

    I think you should also post in the suggestion thread too, it would be great to have your feedback.
    Ya, the purpose was to make a PH be absorbed more. Like a pill is only 50% absorbed and the LV is like 90% absorbed. Thats why i love PP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trojanman1016 View Post
    Ya, the purpose was to make a PH be absorbed more. Like a pill is only 50% absorbed and the LV is like 90% absorbed. Thats why i love PP.
    Methylated products are going to have pretty similar absorption.
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    The ability to dictate your own dosage alone is worth the liquid transport system. The fact that it supposedly absorbs better is a bonus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Manback View Post
    The ability to dictate your own dosage alone is worth the liquid transport system. The fact that it supposedly absorbs better is a bonus.
    I'm just speculating, but even if it doesn't absorb much better it probably absorbs quicker since there is no capsule and it's liquid. If that is the case then it works very well for dosing Superdrol pre workout.
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    Quote Originally Posted by n87 View Post
    Rectally, huh... That would require a different dropper.
    Hmm, what's the difference between an oral and a rectal dropper???
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