Just ordered 2 bottles of the Tren liqua-vade. I got some 1-T when it first came out, didn't experience a lot of gain, really. Got some 1-T Tren when it first came out, and I saw amazing results with 1 bottle!! Still have 1 bottle of 1-T Tren left, looking forward to doing some crazy cycles with this stuff.. I'm expecting big things from the liqua-vade if it's 4X stronger than 1-T Tren!!