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  1. Primordial Performance presents: EndoAmp Max!









    What is EndoAmp Max
    ?


    EndoAmp Max is a naturally occurring phospholipid complex, designed to minimize the cortisol increase after exercise while amplifying the testosterone and growth hormone (GH) response.

    As a mild "nutty" tasting powder, EndoAmp Max can be taken by itself or mixed with a beverage. Each dose includes 800mg of pure phosphatidylserine and 600mg of alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine (A-GPC). At the recommended dose, EndoAmp Max will last 29 days.

    EndoAmp Max is known as an "endocrine amplifier" because it can amplify the beneficial hormones such as testosterone & GH while preventing the unwanted spike in cortisol associated with exercise, so you can begin making progress towards building a harder, more masculine physique.


    How does EndoAmp Max
    work?


    EndoAmp Max works by supplying the body with vital phospholipids and neurotransmitters, thus reducing the requirement for cortisol following strenuous physical or mental activity and supporting higher testosterone and GH output. (11,21,37,38)

    Increased GH and testosterone levels help promote faster recovery, increased muscle growth and enhanced fat loss. (36)


    How does EndoAmp Max
    Support Testosterone production?


    The active ingredient phosphatidylserine (PS) prevents the exercise induced cortisol spike, and is a vital nutrient that supports testicular function and testosterone production. (11,37) Each serving of EndoAmp Max includes a clinically proven dose of 800mg of PS.

    A recent study examined the effects of 10 days of 600mg/day PS supplementation on testosterone and cortisol during and after exercise. (37) The researchers found that PS supplementation increased testosterone 78% over the placebo group, while completely blunting the cortisol response to exercise. When analyzed for the testosterone to cortisol (T:C) ratio and compared to placebo, the PS group had a 3,354% higher T:C!






    In another human study, hormone levels where examined during two weeks of intense weight training. The group receiving the 800mg of PS had higher testosterone levels and lower cortisol levels, compared to the group receiving the placebo. (11) Another study showed that 800mg of PS reduced cortisol levels 30% (compared to the placebo group) after intense cycling exercise. (21)

    It’s been hypothesized that PS supplementation minimizes cortisol secretion by providing the necessary phospholipids required for cellular membrane structure and regulatory functions, thus reducing the requirement for bodily breakdown and nutrient displacement. (17,25,36,40)

    Research also suggests that PS supports testosterone production by increasing the testes sensitivity to luteinizing hormone (LH) and increases testicular steroidogenesis - aka the creation of testosterone. (1-11, 19-26)

    Take this quote from Cooke et al (1989) about the important role of PS in the testes –

    "The requirement for specific phospholipid configurations for optimal steroidogenic activity suggests a regulatory role for these membrane components. It is possible that certain phospholipids [phosphatidylserine] may possess the most suitable configuration and charge distribution to optimize the binding of the steroid substrate to the active site of the enzyme. Alternatively, they may assist the catalysis by providing a more suitable microenvironment or electrochemical gradient for proton transfer between enzyme and steroid."¯

    In other words, EndoAmp Max creates a more conducive environment for testosterone synthesis in the testes by mitigating the damaging effects from cortisol and supplying the testes with the necessary phospholipids for testicular function.


    How does EndoAmp Max support Growth Hormone (GH) production?

    The active ingredient alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine (A-GPC) increases the synthesis and release of an important neurotransmitter known as acetylcholine which enhances GH production following exercise. (38-43) Each serving of EndoAmp Max provides a scientifically proven dose of A-GPC.

    A recent study examined GH release in resistance trained men after supplementation with a single 600mg dose of A-GPC. When supplemented with A-GPC, GH levels peaked 68% higher than placebo following exercise. The peak bench press force was also 14% greater with A-GPC than placebo. (38)

    Similar results have been found in another human study with young and elderly subjects. In the young subjects (30-34 yrs), A-GPC lead to a 40% higher increase in GH over the non-A-GPC group. In the elderly subjects (80-82 yrs.), A-GPC caused a 140% higher increase in GH over the non-A-GPC group. (39)

    The research suggests that A-GPC amplifies the release of GH following growth-hormone-releasing-hormone (GHRH) stimulation. It was proposed that A-GPC supplementation increases acetylcholine levels in the brain, thus enhancing pituitary sensitivity and amplifying the release of GH from GHRH stimulation. (39)

    Another mechanism by which A-GPC may increase GH secretion is by improving the fluidity of pituitary membranes, thus increasing signal transduction at the pituitary level. (39-41)

    In laymen’s terms, EndoAmp Max increases the amount of GH secreted from exercise.


    What sort of effects should I expect from EndoAmp Max?

    Human research shows that EndoAmp Max can offer the following benefits –

    Improve the testosterone to cortisol ratio (11,21)
    Amplify GH levels following exercise (38,39)
    Increase resistance to stress & fatigue (19-23)
    Increase exercise capacity (22, 38)
    Speed recovery & reduce muscle soreness (23,24)
    Enhanced sense of well-being (19,23)
    Note: Although PS and A-GPC are naturally present in animal meat, most Americans are probably getting less than 120mg/day of PS & A-GPC combined through a Western diet (17,18,44). Therefore, supplementing with EndoAmp Max will ensure you get a sufficient amount of these highly valuable nutrients for the clinically proven benefits.


    What are some signs that my cortisol is too high?

    Excess fat distribution around the face and/or abdominal area (16)
    Low Libido (33,34)
    Low Testosterone* (2,3,10)
    Low GH (Growth Hormone) (12-14)
    Decreased insulin sensitivity (15)
    Suppressed immune system (12, 15)
    Mental depression (34)
    Easily fatigued or exhausted (34,35)
    Prolonged recovery from exercise (35)
    *Cortisol dominance is a primary cause of hypogonadism and male impotence.

    Keep in mind, it is normal and healthy to have elevated cortisol prior to waking from a night's rest, which is part of the body's natural regeneration process. However, it is not healthy to maintain elevated cortisol levels throughout the day.


    What if I already have low cortisol? Will EndoAmp Max still benefit me?

    Although seemingly contradictory, the answer is yes. Fortifying the body with the vital phospholipids and nutrients contained in EndoAmp Max will support the proper physiological structure & function of the body.

    Remember, insufficient cortisol production is generally brought upon by adrenal fatigue which generally originates from over production of cortisol. In order to revive the adrenal glands and restore normal cortisol secretion, you must remove the hyper-cortisol stimulus, and reduce the requirement for cortisol by providing the body with proper nutrition.

    What does it mean to “reduce the requirement for cortisol”?

    Cortisol is a catabolic hormone produced by the body to breakdown bodily tissue and free up vital nutrients for the repair and maintenance of the body. (12)


    Cortisol Secretion

    1. When the brain senses a low availability of vital nutrients (e.g., glucose, phospholipids, etc.), it releases adrenocorticotropic hormone (ACTH) which travels down to the adrenal glands.

    2. Once ACTH reaches the adrenal glands (above the kidneys), it stimulates the release of cortisol to begin breaking down bodily tissue. (12)



    When muscle tissue is damaged during intense exercise it creates a high demand for nutrients (e.g., amino acids and phospholipids) for the structural repair of muscle tissue. Therefore, if the body is not supplied with sufficient nutrition to repair and rebuild the damaged cellular tissue, it will release cortisol to breakdown other areas of the body for the nutrients it needs.

    Aside from breaking down muscle tissue for glucose and amino acids, research shows that cortisol also breaks down testicular tissue and reduces the body’s ability to produce testosterone, perhaps as a mechanism to free up phospholipid stores within the testes. (2-10)

    Research with over-trained and/or malnourished athletes has clearly shown that high cortisol levels are associated with low testosterone levels. This is known as a low testosterone to cortisol ratio and is highly correlated with decreased performance, slow recovery and inability to gain lean body mass. (45,46)

    Therefore, when the body is supplied with ample nutrients to repair itself, it reduces the requirement for cortisol.


    Can I stack EndoAmp Max with other testosterone support supplements?

    Yes, EndoAmp Max can enhance the effectiveness of other testosterone boosting supplements by amplifying the testes ability to produce testosterone.

    This synergistic effect makes EndoAmp Max an important addition to our Testosterone Recovery Stack. It also makes EndoAmp Max a vital part of post cycle therapy (PCT), when preserving muscle mass and restoring natural testosterone production is of the utmost importance.









    Supplement Facts
    Serving Size 2200mg (one scoop)
    Servings Per Container 29
    Amount Per Serving %DV
    ----------------------------------------
    SerinAid 1600mg*
    ----- Phosphatidylserine 800mg*
    ----- Phosphatidylcholine 154mg*
    ----- Phosphatidylethanolamine 128mg*
    ----- Phosphatidylinositol 68mg*
    AlphaSize (A-GPC) 600mg*
    (alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine)

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    *Daily Value not established






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    22. Effects of phosphatidylserine on exercise capacity during cycling in active males.
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    23. The hormonal and perceptive effects of phosphatidylserine administration during two weeks of weight training-induced over-training.
    Fayey TD, et al.
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    24. The effects of phosphatidyl serine on markers of muscular stress in endurance runners.
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    28. Changes in Financial Strain Over Three Years, Ambulatory Blood Pressure, and Cortisol Responses to Awakening
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    33. Corticosterone Can Act at the Posterior Paraventricular Thalamus to Inhibit Hypothalamic-Pituitary-Adrenal Activity in Animals that Habituate to Repeated Stress
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    34. Steroids and depression
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    Biol Sport 1997, 14:1-19

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    37. The effects of soy phosphatidylserine on cortisol, growth hormone and testosterone response to moderate intensity exercise.
    Starks, et al.
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    38. Acute supplementation with alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine augments growth hormone response to and peak force production during resistance exercise
    Ziegenfuss et al.
    J Int Soc Sports Nutr, Jun 2008 5(Suppl 1): P15

    39. Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine administration increases the GH response to GHRH of young and elderly subjects.
    Ceda et al.
    Horm Metab Res, Mar 1992; 24(3): 119-21.

    40. Phospholipids as dynamic participants in biological processes.
    Hanahan et al.
    J lipid Res 1984, 25:1528-1535

    41. Biosynthesis of phospholipids
    Kennedy at al.
    Fed, Proc 16: 847-853 (1957)

    42. A multicentre trial to evaluate the efficacy and tolerability of alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine versus cytosine diphosphocholine in patients with vascular dementia.
    R Di Perri, G Coppola, LA Ambrosio, A Grasso, FM Puca, and M Rizzo
    J Int Med Res, July 1, 1991; 19(4): 330-41.

    43. Behavioral effects of L-alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine: influence on cognitive mechanisms in the rat.
    F Drago, F Mauceri, L Nardo, C Valerio, N Lauria, L Rampello, and G Guidi
    Pharmacol Biochem Behav, February 1, 1992; 41(2): 445-8.

    44. L--Glycerophosphocholine Contributes to Meat's Enhancement of Nonheme Iron Absorption
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    J. Nutr., May 2008; 138: 873 - 877.

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  2. whats the difference between this and regular endo amp?
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by TexasLifter89 View Post
    whats the difference between this and regular endo amp?
    We've added 600mg of alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine (A-GPC). This will increase GH releasing effects.

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  4. Quote Originally Posted by Trauma1 View Post
    We've added 600mg of alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine (A-GPC). This will increase GH releasing effects.
    I noticed that you guys added alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine to the new endo-amp. Is there by any chance that Eric could give me a link to a study showing the affects of this compound in accordance to gh release. I know acteyl-choline is known for this but, I have not heard of A-GPC.
    doing my own thang!

  5. Quote Originally Posted by andrew732 View Post
    I noticed that you guys added alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine to the new endo-amp. Is there by any chance that Eric could give me a link to a study showing the affects of this compound in accordance to gh release. I know acteyl-choline is known for this but, I have not heard of A-GPC.
    38. Acute supplementation with alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine augments growth hormone response to and peak force production during resistance exercise
    Ziegenfuss et al.
    J Int Soc Sports Nutr, Jun 2008 5(Suppl 1): P15

    39. Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine administration increases the GH response to GHRH of young and elderly subjects.
    Ceda et al.
    Horm Metab Res, Mar 1992; 24(3): 119-21.

    40. Phospholipids as dynamic participants in biological processes.
    Hanahan et al.
    J lipid Res 1984, 25:1528-1535

    41. Biosynthesis of phospholipids
    Kennedy at al.
    Fed, Proc 16: 847-853 (1957)

    42. A multicentre trial to evaluate the efficacy and tolerability of alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine versus cytosine diphosphocholine in patients with vascular dementia.
    R Di Perri, G Coppola, LA Ambrosio, A Grasso, FM Puca, and M Rizzo
    J Int Med Res, July 1, 1991; 19(4): 330-41.

    43. Behavioral effects of L-alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine: influence on cognitive mechanisms in the rat.
    F Drago, F Mauceri, L Nardo, C Valerio, N Lauria, L Rampello, and G Guidi
    Pharmacol Biochem Behav, February 1, 1992; 41(2): 445-8.

  6. Quote Originally Posted by Hank Vangut View Post
    38. Acute supplementation with alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine augments growth hormone response to and peak force production during resistance exercise
    Ziegenfuss et al.
    J Int Soc Sports Nutr, Jun 2008 5(Suppl 1): P15

    39. Alpha-Glycerylphosphorylcholine administration increases the GH response to GHRH of young and elderly subjects.
    Ceda et al.
    Horm Metab Res, Mar 1992; 24(3): 119-21.

    40. Phospholipids as dynamic participants in biological processes.
    Hanahan et al.
    J lipid Res 1984, 25:1528-1535

    41. Biosynthesis of phospholipids
    Kennedy at al.
    Fed, Proc 16: 847-853 (1957)

    42. A multicentre trial to evaluate the efficacy and tolerability of alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine versus cytosine diphosphocholine in patients with vascular dementia.
    R Di Perri, G Coppola, LA Ambrosio, A Grasso, FM Puca, and M Rizzo
    J Int Med Res, July 1, 1991; 19(4): 330-41.

    43. Behavioral effects of L-alpha-glycerylphosphorylcholine: influence on cognitive mechanisms in the rat.
    F Drago, F Mauceri, L Nardo, C Valerio, N Lauria, L Rampello, and G Guidi
    Pharmacol Biochem Behav, February 1, 1992; 41(2): 445-8.

    Very nice, hank. I'm going to compile some studies with links for you guys in the coming days.

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  7. nice addition. i believe this will be a great reformulation

  8. I added a few things to the write-up, everyone.

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  9. I noticed serving size is one scoop for 2200mg where as old endoamp was 2 scoops for 1600mg. Is this correct as it appears that there are almost the same number of servings per container 29 in max vs 30 in normal?

    Also noticed sponsor10 coupon code not working with endoamp max, any reason why?

  10. How long can you run EndoAmp Max?
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  11. Quote Originally Posted by buff18 View Post
    How long can you run EndoAmp Max?
    As long as you like.

    -Eric

  12. Quote Originally Posted by buff18 View Post
    How long can you run EndoAmp Max?
    It's really a very solid staple supplement overall. I think you'll really enjoy the effects you get from this product.

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  13. Quote Originally Posted by scb2121 View Post
    I noticed serving size is one scoop for 2200mg where as old endoamp was 2 scoops for 1600mg. Is this correct as it appears that there are almost the same number of servings per container 29 in max vs 30 in normal?

    Also noticed sponsor10 coupon code not working with endoamp max, any reason why?

    The new container is 66gm and the old was 48gm… the servings are all there... even though the actual bottle is smaller.

    SPONSOR10 should still be working for EndoAmp... Ill have them fix that.

    -Eric

  14. Hey guys...just got a quick question. This product helps with GH release and testosterone support. You would want to take this postworkout for it's cortisol blunting properties correct?? If that is so, what would you do or how would you dose around your postworkout shake? Carbs, more specifically, insulin blunts GH release. Carbs postworkout --> insulin release. Any help with this?

  15. Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    Hey guys...just got a quick question. This product helps with GH release and testosterone support. You would want to take this postworkout for it's cortisol blunting properties correct?? If that is so, what would you do or how would you dose around your postworkout shake? Carbs, more specifically, insulin blunts GH release. Carbs postworkout --> insulin release. Any help with this?
    If you follow Pasquale’s diet (like myself) then you shouldn’t be taking in carbs after workouts, but instead protein.

    By taking in carbs PO you reduce insulin sensitivity and basically fill your muscles glycogen stores, while reducing the muscle's ability to take in amino acids. (protein)

    Muscles are starving after a workout… you should give them protein instead of carbs.

    Eitherway, the GH burst only last for about 90 minutes after exercise, so you can still reap the benefits of this and take your carbs about 60 minutes after exercise if you really wanted to.

    -Eric

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    If you follow Pasquale’s diet (like myself) then you shouldn’t be taking in carbs after workouts, but instead protein.

    By taking in carbs PO you reduce insulin sensitivity and basically fill your muscles glycogen stores, while reducing the muscle's ability to take in amino acids. (protein)

    Muscles are starving after a workout… you should give them protein instead of carbs.

    Eitherway, the GH burst only last for about 90 minutes after exercise, so you can still reap the benefits of this and take your carbs about 60 minutes after exercise if you really wanted to.

    -Eric

    Thanks for answering my question. I got ya

    I was always of the understanding though that:
    1. replenishing glycogen stores was a good thing, the sooner the better.
    2. my post-w drink is approx. 30g waxy maize with 10g BCAA and another 5-7g of Leucine. Wouldn't the carbs help pull the amino acids into the muscle? Or have I missed something big here.

    I will check out the diet you are talking about. I got something to read about tonight!!

    Luckily I workout in the A.M., so technically I guess I have all day to replenish glycogen stores. I tend to overtrain easily though and wouldn't want to stumble down that road.

  17. Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    Thanks for answering my question. I got ya

    I was always of the understanding though that:
    1. replenishing glycogen stores was a good thing, the sooner the better.
    2. my post-w drink is approx. 30g waxy maize with 10g BCAA and another 5-7g of Leucine. Wouldn't the carbs help pull the amino acids into the muscle? Or have I missed something big here.

    I will check out the diet you are talking about. I got something to read about tonight!!

    Luckily I workout in the A.M., so technically I guess I have all day to replenish glycogen stores. I tend to overtrain easily though and wouldn't want to stumble down that road.

    Give this a look-over. It has some good information in general that may answer some of your questions:


    Growth Hormone and Blood Sugar

    The most important point in regards to growth hormone (GH) and diet is that "Growth hormone levels increase significantly when insulin levels are low" (Jamieson, p. 85). "More precisely, the cause of growth hormone inhibition is not high insulin levels but rather high blood sugar (which, because insulin is secreted to bring down blood sugar level, overlaps in time with high insulin levels)" (Faigin, p.201).

    To explain further, "… glucose inhibits the secretion of growth hormone by acting on specific areas of the hypothalamus. Consequently, during the day, when food is consumed periodically, growth hormone secretion by the pituitary is suppressed, and insulin release by the pancreas is increased" (Dean).

    But it should be noted that it is not just any food that causes a rise in blood sugar and the consequent insulin release, but primary carbohydrates. And some kinds of carbs cause a greater blood sugar increase than others. This issue is discussed in the article *The Glycemic Index.

    I won't repeat all the details of that article here, but the important point is that low glycemic foods will not increase blood sugar as much as high glycemic foods. And eating a large amount of carbs at once will cause a greater increase in blood sugar levels than eating a small amount of carbs. Also, eating fat with carbs will blunt the rise in blood sugar.

    What this means is, consuming a large amount of high glycemic carbs by themselves could completely halt growth hormone release. Or more generally, a high carbohydrate, low fat diet is absolutely devastating to growth hormone levels. This is one of the reasons why many people trying to lose weight on such a diet "plateau" after a period of time. Their inability to continue to lose weight is partly due to suppressed GH levels.

    Moreover, a study comparing a group of boys consuming meals composed of high-glycemic index (GI) foods verses low GI foods found, "There were higher levels of the hormones insulin, noradrenaline, and cortisol after the high-GI meals" (Brand-Miller, p.230). So a rapid rise in blood sugar and insulin can lead to a rise in cortisol, with its attendant catabolic and lipogenic properties.

    However, "… we need insulin to promote the benefits of growth hormone. Studies show that GH fails to cause growth in animals lacking a pancreas and it also fails if carbohydrates are restricted from the diet" (Jamieson, p.56). The reason for his could be that a strict low carb diet would lead to chronically low insulin levels, and insulin, as indicated above, is needed to drive amino acids into the muscle cells.

    Moreover, IGF-1 is produced in the body through the combined actions of GH and insulin. And IGF-1 "… is at least as powerful an anabolic agent as either of its parents" (Faigin, p. 90). But a low carb diet would lead to a reduction in IGF-1 levels. So a low carb diet is not the answer either. In fact, this relationship of insulin, growth hormone, and IGF-1 is one reason why those following a low carb diet also often plateau after a period of time.

    There is a relationship with thyroid hormone here as well. "Raising GH has a profound effect on normalizing thyroid function … " (Jamieson, p.100). However, "Studies also show that diets that continuously restrict carbohydrate (like the Atkin's diet, for instance) cause a reduction in T3, and that administering carbohydrate can restore T3 levels after they have declined" (Faigin, p.139). This reduction in T3 is another reason people will often plateau on low carb diets.

    So an ideal GH enhancing diet would include some carbs, but not an excessive amount. And the focus would be on low glycemic carbs.


    Growth Hormone and Protein

    Next to be considered is the relationship of GH to protein intake. "GH is released after the consumption of protein. This might signify to the body that it is now an opportune moment to build" (Creatine Newsletter).

    Moreover, "Hormonally, protein intake is positively correlated with growth hormone, IGF-1, and glucagons. These hormones, collectively, exert an anabolic and lipolytic effect" (Faigin, p.156).

    This article is about diet, not supplements. But the following paragraph would apply to raising GH levels via diet as well as via supplements:

    People are curious why others get better results for their HGH supplementation. When we looked into why, we discovered that growth hormone supplementation increases the need for protein and people who supply the additional protein did better with their HGH supplementation program" (HGH Magazine, "Whey Protein").

    So there is a synchronicity going on here. Increased protein intake will increase GH levels, and increased GH levels will increase the need for protein. Moreover, frequent protein feedings will increase absorption of protein and produce frequent GH spikes.

    So an ideal GH raising diet would include frequent feedings of high quality protein.



    This is the whole article if you're interested:

    http://www.fitnessforoneandall.com/n...s/part_one.htm

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  18. That's really some great info Trauma, and thank you much for posting. It's much appreciated. I really just wanted to know b/c I plan on doing a stack of Sustain, EndoAmp, and Toco-8 along w/ Phyto-Test in the near future and wanted to iron out all the wrinkles.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    That's really some great info Trauma, and thank you much for posting. It's much appreciated. I really just wanted to know b/c I plan on doing a stack of Sustain, EndoAmp, and Toco-8 along w/ Phyto-Test in the near future and wanted to iron out all the wrinkles.
    Not a problem.

    That sounds like a great stack. Link us when you get that going.

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  20. Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    That's really some great info Trauma, and thank you much for posting. It's much appreciated. I really just wanted to know b/c I plan on doing a stack of Sustain, EndoAmp, and Toco-8 along w/ Phyto-Test in the near future and wanted to iron out all the wrinkles.
    Yeah, that will be a very nice all-natural stack.

    -Eric

  21. Quote Originally Posted by BurghHardcore View Post
    That's really some great info Trauma, and thank you much for posting. It's much appreciated. I really just wanted to know b/c I plan on doing a stack of Sustain, EndoAmp, and Toco-8 along w/ Phyto-Test in the near future and wanted to iron out all the wrinkles.
    So when are you gonna give this a go??

  22. Bumping this for some feedback.

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  23. I gotta get my hands on some of this for my next PCT. Looks yum yum.
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  24. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I gotta get my hands on some of this for my next PCT. Looks yum yum.
    yes you do

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I gotta get my hands on some of this for my next PCT. Looks yum yum.
    You'll likey.

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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I gotta get my hands on some of this for my next PCT. Looks yum yum.
    EndoAmp actually does taste good.

  27. That's good. I have heard it's a nutty flavor?
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  28. Very nice looking product. I'm actually more interested in the nootropic effects than anything. I'm definitely looking forward to giving this one a try.

    Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    I gotta get my hands on some of this for my next PCT. Looks yum yum.
    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    EndoAmp actually does taste good.
    That's good to hear. NOW liquid lecithin is a pain in the ass to take...almost like thick molasses.
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by Royd The Noyd View Post
    That's good. I have heard it's a nutty flavor?
    Yes sir

  30. Quote Originally Posted by testosteronet View Post
    Best time of day to take endoamp max?
    We recommend that you take it early on in the day (morning.) The purpose of the EndoAmp Max is to mitigate huge fluctuations in cortisol over the course of the day (they typically occur during periods of stress of physical workload); it's not going to destroy cortisol overall, though. If you dose early on in the day, you're allowing for a more stable basal serum cortisol concentration. This will equate to better gains in the end.

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