Primordial Performance's 1-T Tren Write-Up!
- 02-27-2009, 03:23 PM
- 02-27-2009, 03:43 PM
I have never run the Tren designers before, but from all accounts they are effective, if prone to sides. I expect the same from the PP product, if not better. I don't think anyone, even you guys, have any hard data on transdermal absorption vs oral delivery, but I was very pleased with 1-T, so maybe the 81 mgs of the 19-nor in 5 pumps of 1-T Tren will produce better results than 90 or even 120 mgs taken orally. That, however, remains to be seen.
I'm mulling over trying this, although I am afraid of these progestin-based compounds (gyno, BP issues). Either way, like I said in the earlier post, if one were to want to stack 1-Andro and Tren, this looks like the way to go.
02-27-2009, 03:56 PM
Look, I really liked 1-T, and I already said that upon further inspection is does seem like your product would be superior to a 1-T/oral Tren stack. I may even try it out.
02-27-2009, 04:02 PM
The ability to effectively deliver sufficient amounts of bioavailable actives (of any said compound) into systemic circulation for primary utilization is key. This is one of the primary reasons why a transdermal delivery method is often implemented in use.
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
02-27-2009, 04:47 PM
There are plenty of supportive medical studies in regard to enteral, parenteral, and/or transdermal delivery methods, and the specific pros/cons they demonstrate, i can assure you that. Many medications in general are designed to utilize the benefits of that delivery method in their application.
Transdermal delivery methods will most certainly have a significantly lessened degree of hepatic stress, especially when we're talking about making enteral delivered (oral) medications/androgens bioavailable to systemic use (I.E. Methylation.) A non-methylated oral compound won't have a high degree of hepatic stress, you're right, but whatever is absorbed will ultimately face the hepatic first-pass metabolism effect. That in itself will significantly alter the amount of bioavailable active delivered.
You said that to your understanding that 'Tren' like compounds were 'highly bioavailable', however the degree of that is most certainly dependent upon the efficacy of the utilized delivery modality Which is what i've outlined above.
I agree that anecdotal-based evidence is the primary method of feedback at this point. I'm willing to get blood work done when i eventually run this myself. While still anecdotal in nature, it should add some insight overall.
The anecdotal reports we've received back from 1-T (myself included) have been fairly impressive. I'm glad to hear that you enjoyed 1-T yourself. As soon as the 1-T Tren logs start rolling in, i'll put them together in a consolidated thread as i did with the 1-T logs.
Evolutionary Muse - Inspire to Evolve
02-27-2009, 05:25 PM
Also looking forward to the logs...
02-27-2009, 05:43 PM
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02-27-2009, 11:50 PM
1-AD is going to have less oral bioavailability than methenolone acetate [15-20%] because its non-methylated, but more than plain DHEA [3%] because it is has a double-bond in the 1st position, so 8% is an educated guess for 1-ene compounds (1-AD, 1-DHEA, ect). Ive made this proposal several times, and even the almighty steroid guru Pat himself has no disagreeance with it.
With that said, I’m not seeing anything special that would improve oral absorption with the 19-nor molecule, except maybe the 9-ene… so 8% is really a high guess for oral absorption.
We base our 35% average TD delivery claim based on the aggressive permeants and penetration enhancers in our formula. Similar formulas have been proven to absorb at rates upwards of 30%, and even higher on thin areas of the skin, so 35% is really an estimate in a best case scenario.
Even if you only get 20% absorbed topically, you should still yield better results with 81mg in a TD than you would with 150mg orally. (assuming you even get 8% in an oral)
In fact, Im so sure you will love 1-T TREN that I’ll give you your money bac…. Ah jeez… you get what Im sayin.
02-28-2009, 01:00 AM
02-28-2009, 01:13 PM
If I get over my fear of progestin-based compounds, I might try it...
02-28-2009, 06:29 PM
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03-05-2009, 04:03 PM
Hey there fellas new here, ordered my 1-t tren, just waiting on delivery curious to know if there is anything I can do before I begin my cycle to "prime" my body to enhance or to take full advantage of what this product can do? Maybe through diet, or other supplementation I was reading about L-carnitiine L-tartrate making androgen receptors more availible, any thoughts much appreciated.
03-05-2009, 04:12 PM
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03-31-2009, 01:01 PM
I'm going to log but I need to get my post count up first so I can post links and pics.
Trauma, I sent one PM to you here and one on PP forums.
04-02-2009, 12:32 PM
I have a different question about this product. Am i going to need 60X0 or an antiaromatise to use with this product to keep from estrogen production. i really dont feel like haveing to drain the nips. that sh-t hurts. haha. and am i going to need a cycle support of some sort? thanks
04-02-2009, 02:00 PM
We do recommend vitex to control prolactin control though.
04-10-2009, 10:35 PM
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