I've been using it for exactly this for months (on and off).
My friend who had been using propecia for about 8 months at the time started coming down the gym with me again (after a long period travelling and being unhealthy) and I got him started on some sustain alpha too. I found it incredible how quickly he lost a lot of his "podge" and gained some muscle shape and size (i'm talking big changes in a few weeks... he was amazed) so whilst it is anecdotal I believe a lot of it must have been due to high estrogen which the sustain helped bring back in line. That would explain the rapid loss of fat/water retention around the mid section and man boobs...
Personally I find it to be a great way of mitigating the possible propecia drawbacks... I'll continue to use it for some time!
Thanks a lot for sharing that. So did you notice a softer appearance after staring Propecia? Did it make you hold any water, or change your agression or energy levels at all?
Did the Sustain Alpha harden up your physique? I would love if it were possible to have the rock hard, totally bone dry physique i had before, while using Propecia and blocking DHT, but i dont think its possible.
Ive read that DHT based drugs strip water from you, and harden up your physique, and that must be in part to there actions on lowering/antagonizing estrogen levels. I think they also surpress Testosterone levels a bit too, leaving less to convert into Estrogen. This is why they dont really make you gain weight, which i dont want to gain, but help to change your body composition and help with fatloss/water loss, and a better quality physique.
When we take Propecia, we lower DHT levels, which will increase Testosterone levels, and Estradiol levels by roughly 15%. This is already a bit of a slow down in metabolism because you dont have the DHT there to antagonize estrogen, but the actual increase in Estrogen can slighly slow down metabolsim, and cause some bloating and water retention.
Then lets say you use Sustain Alpha, okay it might lower your Estrogen levels or help balance them, but its going to increase your Testosterone levels, which will leave more to convert into etrogen, plus the increase in Testosterone itself can cause some water retention if you are blocking DHT at the same time with Propecia, right?
Ive read some people gain fat on Test cycles, thats why most dont use Test only cycles for cutting. Is this because of all the extra Test converting to Estrogen? Or is it because of the Test itself?
Is Estrogen the main culprit here when it comes to water retention, bloating, fat gain, softer appearance,ect? Or does DHT itself have properties that lean you out, make you dry, help with fatloss, muscle hardness,ect, that just lowering Estrogen levels with AI's doesnt have.
Otherwise you would see people getting the same results from Arimidex, or Letrozole, that they do with Masteron, Proviron, Winny, Primo, Anavar,ect, when it comes to leaning you out, muscle hardness, making you dry as a bone,ect.
Im really interested to know this ****!