1-T PCT for someone who is Gyno prone

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  1. 1-T PCT for someone who is Gyno prone


    I just ordered the Hardcore Muscle Stack which is the 2 bottles of 1-T with Sustain, Endoamp, and Toco-8 for PCT.

    This will be my first use of a pro hormone, and I just wanted to make sure that I don't need a SERM. I've had pubertal gyno and had surgery to remove most of the glandular tissue so my nipples are normal now. However since some of the tissue remains, wouldn't this make me prone to the glands regrowing if I use anything hormonal?

    Should I take an Anti-E on the 1-t cycle and have some Nolva on hand for the SERM?

    Also, does it matter if I start the 1-t cycle directly after I've taken a Mass FX and Hyperdrol X2 (has 6-Bromo) stack for 8 weeks.


  2. wait another 8 weeks to clean out receptors because divanil can cause gyno problems, as for 1-t is anti-estrogenic which means it can not convert to estrogen. During pct, use 50-100mg of 6-bromo or ATD if you want to be safe, sustain alpha also contains trans-reservatrol and 7,8 benszofavone which have anti-estrogenic properties as well. Endoamp will help cut down cortisol secretion, which is beneficial to maintaining gains.
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    wait another 8 weeks to clean out receptors because divanil can cause gyno problems, as for 1-t is anti-estrogenic which means it can not convert to estrogen. During pct, use 50-100mg of 6-bromo or ATD if you want to be safe, sustain alpha also contains trans-reservatrol and 7,8 benszofavone which have anti-estrogenic properties as well. Endoamp will help cut down cortisol secretion, which is beneficial to maintaining gains.
    1-T also contains topical DHEA which can convert to estrogen so I don't understand how you can say its "anti estrogenic". My advice to the OP would be to keep an AI on hand if you have any issues. Nolva for PCT would be good just stay away from clomid if you are gyno prone.

  4. Quote Originally Posted by crazilyfter42 View Post
    1-T also contains topical DHEA which can convert to estrogen so I don't understand how you can say its "anti estrogenic". My advice to the OP would be to keep an AI on hand if you have any issues. Nolva for PCT would be good just stay away from clomid if you are gyno prone.
    High conversion to 1-androstenediol and 1-testosterone
    Zero conversion to estrogen..
    Last edited by bslick69b; 01-12-2009 at 02:10 PM.
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  5. Quote Originally Posted by crazilyfter42 View Post
    1-T also contains topical DHEA which can convert to estrogen so I don't understand how you can say its "anti estrogenic". My advice to the OP would be to keep an AI on hand if you have any issues. Nolva for PCT would be good just stay away from clomid if you are gyno prone.
    androsterone is used an AI due to it's anti-estrogenic properties, the nomeclature of 1-t is designed not to armotize
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  6. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    androsterone is used an AI due to it's anti-estrogenic properties, the nomeclature of 1-t is designed not to armotize
    Androsterone is a steroid hormone not an AI. I wasnt aware that it had any Anti-E like properties, I never heard that before. Im well aware that 1-androsterone and its target hormones 1-androstenediol, and 1 test do not aromatize. I just wanted to point out to the OP that the other compound in 1-T, which is DHEA does. He asked and said he was gyno sensitive so I think its only fair that he knows this information. This does not mean it would aggravate or give him gyno but it does increase that chance.

  7. it also has a.i properties!
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    it also has a.i properties!
    Just because you put an exclamtion point after it doesnt make it true. There is nothing in 1-T that acts as an Aromatase Inhibitor, as you are suggesting.

  9. Recently, it was discovered that 4-hydroxy-4-androstene-3,17-dione, 4-androstene-3,6,17-trione, and 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione, compounds previously reported to be competitive inhibitors of aromatase.
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  10. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    Recently, it was discovered that 4-hydroxy-4-androstene-3,17-dione, 4-androstene-3,6,17-trione, and 1,4,6-androstatriene-3,17-dione, compounds previously reported to be competitive inhibitors of aromatase.
    Maybe Im missing somthing, but where do you see those listed as ingrediets in 1-T?

  11. androsterone is an AI and becomes a anti-estrogenic prohormone at high dosages.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    androsterone is an AI and becomes a anti-estrogenic prohormone at high dosages.
    No. Androsterone is a steroidal hormone formed from DHEA by 5aReductase. Not an AI. And unless you can prove otherwise, you should refrain from posting in this thread.

  13. its an AI at a smaller dosage, at higher dosage it becomes a prohormone, its a derived steroid hormone from DHEA.
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    its an AI at a smaller dosage,

    its a derived steroid hormone from DHEA.
    Please show me proof.

    Yes i know.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    wait another 8 weeks to clean out receptors because divanil can cause gyno problems, as for 1-t is anti-estrogenic which means it can not convert to estrogen. During pct, use 50-100mg of 6-bromo or ATD if you want to be safe, sustain alpha also contains trans-reservatrol and 7,8 benszofavone which have anti-estrogenic properties as well. Endoamp will help cut down cortisol secretion, which is beneficial to maintaining gains.
    i think you mean non aromatizable.

    but otherwise i agree!!

    EDIT: after seeing looking at the nomeclature 1 androsterone. is NOT an AI, ive been going back and forth trying to find the study (that LG uses) that shows androsterone is an AI, but to no avail have i seen it.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    i think you mean non aromatizable.

    but otherwise i agree!!
    ..yessir!
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by crazyfool405 View Post
    after seeing looking at the nomenclature 1 androsterone. is NOT an AI
    Of course its not. I don't understand why someone, who supposedly is a representative of PP, would disseminate such misinformation.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    Of course its not. I don't understand why someone, who supposedly is a representative of PP, would disseminate such misinformation.
    theres supposedly paper work on it, LG i know has it but they havent posted it yet.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    androsterone is an AI and becomes a anti-estrogenic prohormone at high dosages.
    Bump for a PP rep who knows what their talking about.

  20. dude i remember when you was trying to start siht with pistonpump awhile back!..trying to provoke him,and at the end you said a little number like"what kind of a rep are you blah,blah,blah,!..and then when he started to bark back at you.you started to use "oh your a rep,you cant talk to people like that!..whats up bro?..you got a problem with me?
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    dude i remember when you was trying to start siht with pistonpump awhile back!..trying to provoke him,and at the end you said a little number like"what kind of a rep are you blah,blah,blah,!..and then when he started to bark back at you.you started to use "oh your a rep,you cant talk to people like that!..whats up bro?..you got a problem with me?

    future pilots a nice dude, i dont think he has a problem with you but maybe with the research behind the product that hes not seeing evidence on. not your fault, but because its in one of the products i guess he expects you guys to come up with an article of its actions.

  22. i may have made a mistake by saying 1-androsterone instead of androsterone!
    Androsterone is a natural metabolite in the body that reduces estrogen which increases testosterone and is proven to reduce aromatase (that nasty enzyme that turns your hard earned testosterone into UGLY estrogen. It also is a 5aReduced androgen, which as a class have been shown to be potant neuro-stimulants. Neuro-stimulants don't get you wired, they make you more alert, aggressive and intense. So, Androsterone has published studies showing that it can reduce aromatase and increase mental intensity.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    Bump for a PP rep who knows what their talking about.
    5a-reduced metabolites [androsterone, DHT, ect] are going to reduce subcutaneous fat tissue in general, which could lead to a reduction in aromatase production. So maybe that is where the anti-estrogen claim comes from.

    Plus, 5a-reduced metabolites are also going to antagonize the estrogen receptor directly and combat estrgenic effects. [Especially DHT, and androsterone to a lesser extent]

    -Eric

  24. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    dude i remember when you was trying to start siht with pistonpump awhile back!..trying to provoke him,and at the end you said a little number like"what kind of a rep are you blah,blah,blah,!..and then when he started to bark back at you.you started to use "oh your a rep,you cant talk to people like that!..whats up bro?..you got a problem with me?
    You are not pistonpump, but I will address what I said to him if you like. He was running his mouth with his normal "I'll beat you up, I get more chicks, I do everything cooler than anybody else has in history" BS and I made the comment that it was not how a representative of a company should act. Period.

    Bottom line is you dont know what your talking about. And you represent a company, so get get twice as much shit as just the average person.

  25. then expect to get the same from me!
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  26. Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    5a-reduced metabolites [androsterone, DHT, ect] are going to reduce subcutaneous fat tissue in general, which could lead to a reduction in aromatase production. So maybe that is where the anti-estrogen claim comes from.

    Plus, 5a-reduced metabolites are also going to antagonize the estrogen receptor directly and combat estrgenic effects. [Especially DHT, and androsterone to a lesser extent]

    -Eric
    Not sure where It came from. That was my concern with with him giving such advice to a guy who already says he has past problems with gyno.

    I've seen that mentioned in steriod profiles, but never any studies. You guys dont have any do you? The only thing I've seen that refers to metabolites antagonizing is herpes and encephalitis.

    http://www.jimmunol.org/cgi/reprint/160/6/3060.pdf

  27. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    then expect to get the same from me!
    That so crazy that you spread reps around so much that you were able to neg me twice, in the same thread, less than 3hrs apart.

  28. Quote Originally Posted by futurepilot View Post
    That so crazy that you spread reps around so much that you were able to neg me twice, in the same thread, less than 3hrs apart.
    why not,you negged me!..huh?..you thought i was just going to roll over and let it go?..you think you can talk to people anyway that you seem fit?..i dont think so!..you told me to expect twice the siht from you,well twice the neggs seem fit!
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  29. Quote Originally Posted by bslick69b View Post
    why not,you negged me!..huh?..you thought i was just going to roll over and let it go?..you think you can talk to people anyway that you seem fit?..i dont think so!..you told me to expect twice the siht from you,well twice the neggs seem fit!
    I dont remember negging you, but I probably did. I thought it was cute how your first neg says "Bump this".

  30. Bump for a PP rep who knows what their talking about.

    it was just a continuation to this beauty you posted^^^^...whats up?..no A.A forum any more,so your expanding now?
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