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    hey any update on the 1-ando that was mentioned in another thread. I'm ready to pick up a bottle!

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    i think its coming in like a month they said!

    i hope they have testers, because i would love to apply!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGank View Post
    hey any update on the 1-ando that was mentioned in another thread. I'm ready to pick up a bottle!
    It is coming sooner than you think… :-)

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    Who is making 1-andro?

    What?
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    Okay...just realized how dumb this was...but is there any update on this?
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    ya really that stuff is amazing, if it is like the origional that is
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjb33 View Post
    Okay...just realized how dumb this was...but is there any update on this?
    We should be ready to take pre-orders on the 1st of Nov, and then ship out on the 6th.

    More info in the next few days...

    -Pp
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    Any idea how long one bottle will last?
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    Very excited for this. Only about 10 days away...price range?
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    I cant wait!!!
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    With some info pleasseee...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    We should be ready to take pre-orders on the 1st of Nov, and then ship out on the 6th.

    More info in the next few days...Hey Eric will this be at your website or at the planet ?

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    Hey Eric will this be at your website or at the planet ?
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    1 bottle should be a 25 day supply unless you’re a maniac and turn it to a 14 day supply. Relative to the dose/effect that you will be getting from the product it will be very “affordable”. We are aiming at $69 per bottle right now.

    NP may also carry the product but don’t expect it to be any cheaper there. We will have a minimal markup on this product to keep it in a reasonable price range.

    BTW, it’s going to be called 1-T.

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    Quote Originally Posted by babolat View Post
    Very excited for this. Only about 10 days away...price range?
    Yep, we will be taking pre-orders for this on Nov 1st for those that have to get their hands on the first batch. We expect to ship on the 6th.

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    Hey,

    Ingredient Profile? Expected gains/sides? is Sustain Alpha enough for PCT? Will you maybe sell a stack of 1-t, derma, and sustain?
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    in for moar info and probably a purchase when it goes on presale :bb2:
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    i'll pick up a stack for sure! I'm on dermacrine and dermatherm and seeing really good results. Bump for the write up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wjb33 View Post
    Hey,

    Ingredient Profile? Expected gains/sides? is Sustain Alpha enough for PCT? Will you maybe sell a stack of 1-t, derma, and sustain?
    We are looking at 50/50 1-Andro/DHEA mix so there wouldn’t be any need to stack it with Dermacrine. You will get the perfect anabolic/androgenic/estrogenic ratio from the T-1

    We are thinking about doing a package deal with Sustain Alpha… or maybe a double bottle deal for the T-1.

    If you are only doing a 4 week cycle of anything, Sustain is enough for PCT. If you start going longer than that then we recommend Toco-8 and possibly hCG or other sups depending on the length of the cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wjb33 View Post
    Hey,

    Ingredient Profile? Expected gains/sides? is Sustain Alpha enough for PCT? Will you maybe sell a stack of 1-t, derma, and sustain?
    Here is a good thread going about the details...


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    Awesome reply! Thank you so much for all the info!

    Im looking forward to this one!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Here is a good thread going about the details...


    -Pp
    Are there any other sides beside lethargy,acme,etc. ?
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    OK, I want some of this right NOW!
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    That is going to be a really nice product...I would do one with a Epi/1-Andro blend for people that want dry strength.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    That is going to be a really nice product...I would do one with a Epi/1-Andro blend for people that want dry strength.

    This would be strength gains/Dry lean gains from heaven! Perfect combo!
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    Quote Originally Posted by wheels View Post
    Are there any other sides beside lethargy,acme,etc. ?
    Yep, that’s about it. Its non-methylated so there won’t be any liver issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LegalGear View Post
    That is going to be a really nice product...I would do one with a Epi/1-Andro blend for people that want dry strength.

    does epi have a low enough molecular weight to be used in a trans-d or would u have to remove the methyl?

    Thanks
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    EDIT: Never mind, i realized you guys are talking about EpiAndrosterone and not epithos like havoc.
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    well this sounds GREAT... too bad it also sound fairly high priced when compared to other hormonal options.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    well this sounds GREAT... too bad it also sound fairly high priced when compared to other hormonal options.
    Not if you're talking about real gear, since you won't need support supps with 1-T.
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    why wont you need support supps with 1-T?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gettingully1 View Post
    why wont you need support supps with 1-T?
    No liver-toxicity issues, no need for AIs (since 1-T won't aromatize).
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC View Post
    Not if you're talking about real gear, since you won't need support supps with 1-T.
    LMFAO.... quoted DIRECTLY from PP himself on the Primordial perfomance boards..

    Quote Originally Posted by http://www.primordialperformance.com/vbulletin/primordial-health/441-topical-1-androsterone-product-coming.html#post2765


    Guys,

    This product will be called 1-T and we will be set to start taking pre-orders on the 1st of Nov. with a tentative ship date for Nov 6th.

    This stuff is the real deal – acne, suppression of testosterone, eventual suppression of libido, ect. [no liver stress however]


    If you can put up with the side-effects you will be taking one of the most effective “legal steroid” products on the market. The highly anabolic effects of the 1-androsterone, combined with the androgenic and estrogenic effects of the DHEA will make for a very effective lean muscle builder.

    -Eric
    NOW tell me again why this wont need any support supps???

    This WILL still eventully make it through the liver and although it was no M1T the original 1-AD DID in fact stress the liver and more so the kidneys. This will still be filtered by BOTH of these organs and possibly at an even higher rate for the kidneys considering more will make it through the Dermis then will make it through the gut when taken orally.

    High BP was also common with the first 1-AD thus hawthorne berry is recommended and BACK PUMPS from the 1-AD and 4-AD combo (which this mimics being 1-DHEA and DHEA) were pretty extreme as well so something like Taurine and Poseidon would be recommended.

    This again like I said IS a great thing to see, it will be a potent combo, BUT no more or less then the current designers out now and with the exact same risks, restrictions and supports.... just a lil too expensive for my taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC View Post
    No liver-toxicity issues, no need for AIs (since 1-T won't aromatize).
    read above post.... and btw read the whole thread that was posted by primordialperformance.... this will have DHEA in it as well which CAN aromatize at a fairly high rate unless checked by an included AI from PP or you choose to add one yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    read above post.... and btw read the whole thread that was posted by primordialperformance.... this will have DHEA in it as well which CAN aromatize at a fairly high rate unless checked by an included AI from PP or you choose to add one yourself.
    Just because something is filtered by the liver doesn't mean that it causes liver toxicity. As far as I know, liver toxicity from prohormones and AAS is not caused by the hormones themselves, but rather the things that are added to make them more accessible to the body. But the absorbtion and conversion in the skin is so high that such substances are unnecessary.

    As far as support supps, yes 1-T will be suppressive to the HPTA. But that is true of any exogenous hormone. Anytime you take exogenous hormones, you will need PCT. But with those that are susceptible to aromatase, you will ALSO need an AI.

    I'm sure Eric has taken the DHEA into consideration and that it is either not a concern or has been accounted for with an internal AI just as they use chrysin in Dermacrine. Either way, the statement that you won't need other support supplements is accurate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EIC View Post
    Just because something is filtered by the liver doesn't mean that it causes liver toxicity. As far as I know, liver toxicity from prohormones and AAS is not caused by the hormones themselves, but rather the things that are added to make them more accessible to the body.

    Either way, the statement that you won't need other support supplements is accurate.

    Well you dont know very much then.... its not JUST the attachment of an ether or methylation of a compound that can cause liver toxicity and again EVERYTHING in your blood is filtered by you liver and kidneys, this will be no exception. Like I said some people DID see changes in their liver values with 1-AD at the same time some people saw ZERO changes with superdrol in liver values... everyone is different and your best off to be better safe then sorry.

    Also did you not even read my post? BP and back pumps, as well as acne are all still sides that will have to be treated with an electrolyte and amino substance (poseidon, Taurine, BCAA's) and HB for your BP.... most would also prefer to supp with b vitamins to help with the skin and acne..... most of this could be taken care of by one simple supp like Cycle support. Needless to say this is the same with EVERY cycle and this is no exception.

    I just dont think you should come in here preaching bout something you know nothing about, this isnt a candy to just pop or lotion to rub on and then forget, this is just as serious as any AAS and was stated so by its manufacturer so why you want to argue that point IDK. Just dont sit here and mislead others into not protecting themselves when other wise they may have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    LMFAO.... quoted DIRECTLY from PP himself on the Primordial perfomance boards..

    NOW tell me again why this wont need any support supps???

    This WILL still eventully make it through the liver and although it was no M1T the original 1-AD DID in fact stress the liver and more so the kidneys. This will still be filtered by BOTH of these organs and possibly at an even higher rate for the kidneys considering more will make it through the Dermis then will make it through the gut when taken orally.

    High BP was also common with the first 1-AD thus hawthorne berry is recommended and BACK PUMPS from the 1-AD and 4-AD combo (which this mimics being 1-DHEA and DHEA) were pretty extreme as well so something like Taurine and Poseidon would be recommended.

    This again like I said IS a great thing to see, it will be a potent combo, BUT no more or less then the current designers out now and with the exact same risks, restrictions and supports.... just a lil too expensive for my taste.
    Once you consider the amount of hormone you will be getting in to the system, and the results you will be getting, we feel that 1-T will be one of the most competitively priced products on the market. [just compare the price per mg]

    When comparing the side-effects to other products on the market [progestin based gyno, nausea, reduced appetite, ect] we also feel that the side-effects from 1-T will be very minor and much more acceptable.

    -Pp
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Once you consider the amount of hormone you will be getting in to the system, and the results you will be getting, we feel that 1-T will be one of the most competitively priced products on the market. [just compare the price per mg]

    When comparing the side-effects to other products on the market [progestin based gyno, nausea, reduced appetite, ect] we also feel that the side-effects from 1-T will be very minor and much more acceptable.

    -Pp
    yes I agree the original PHs were much more safe in many regards, but for someone to say zero support supps will be needed is a bit ridiculous.... your point of mg for mg cost is very applicable though and I personally would love to have the chance to run this and I just dont even mess with the progestin based designers as Im susceptable to gyno and progestins will undoubtedly create a flare up...

    its just the cost to me comparatively with other designers being 1/3rd the price... just feel hard pressed to make a purchase of that sort.

    I do wish you all the luck and am most certain it will sell out as NO ONE does TD's any more and this one especially holds promise, sadly just not on poops "to do" list with my current finances.
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    yeah, it sounds great eric (by the way i received my dermacrine and recovery stack yesterday, thanks!).

    i'm a little bit apprehensive that EIC is advising no supports supps alongside 1-T, moreover, i'm alarmed that he has already established some reputation with 71 posts given his advice. poopypants, thanks for setting the record straight. im with you on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by poopypants View Post
    Well you dont know very much then.... its not JUST the attachment of an ether or methylation of a compound that can cause liver toxicity and again EVERYTHING in your blood is filtered by you liver and kidneys, this will be no exception. Like I said some people DID see changes in their liver values with 1-AD at the same time some people saw ZERO changes with superdrol in liver values... everyone is different and your best off to be better safe then sorry.

    Also did you not even read my post? BP and back pumps, as well as acne are all still sides that will have to be treated with an electrolyte and amino substance (poseidon, Taurine, BCAA's) and HB for your BP.... most would also prefer to supp with b vitamins to help with the skin and acne..... most of this could be taken care of by one simple supp like Cycle support. Needless to say this is the same with EVERY cycle and this is no exception.

    I just dont think you should come in here preaching bout something you know nothing about, this isnt a candy to just pop or lotion to rub on and then forget, this is just as serious as any AAS and was stated so by its manufacturer so why you want to argue that point IDK. Just dont sit here and mislead others into not protecting themselves when other wise they may have.
    Poopy,

    I don’t think EIC is here to mislead anyone, just pointing out the fact that the 1-T will be a little less harsh than the methylated products on the market, and less troublesome for gyno than the exotic progesterone based anabolics.

    Anyway, what is your reason for recommending Poseidon and taurine for back pumps?

    -Pp
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    i also agree he is not trying to mislead anyone but he should just chose his words a little more carefully.

    as fair as gains go, do you expect 1-T to be much more dramatic than dermacrine?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Primordial Perf View Post
    Poopy,

    I don’t think EIC is here to mislead anyone, just pointing out the fact that the 1-T will be a little less harsh than the methylated products on the market, and less troublesome for gyno than the exotic progesterone based anabolics.

    Anyway, what is your reason for recommending Poseidon and taurine for back pumps?

    -Pp
    Most guys had pretty bad back pumps with the original 1-AD and 4-AD combo and even with the two seperate.... maybe not as bad as some others but more then others.

    Taurine has always been suggested as a remedy for preventing back pumps as it allows more water to be absorbed into the muscle cell and keep it from being leached. The same is my reasoning for using Poseidon or an electrolyte supplement in order to keep the muscle cells well hydrated and less likely to cramp (pump) up and cause pain, I have used Taurine with some effect (had to dose extremely high) and Poseidon with much better results.
  

  
 

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