The suggestion I'm trying to make is that if the arm is hanging limp with no brachialis, biceps, or tricep activation at all, then the only muscles holding the bar in position are the wrist flexors and traps. Now the connective tissue around the elbow relaying that stress from the bar to the shoulders is simply tendons and cartilage and whatnot if no muscles are being activated or stretched. I'm submitting that that is the case--no muscles (biceps, brachialis, brachioradialis) are being stretched, much less activated.
When i do max's I do a grip like Ed(the picture) right is over left is under. Up intill the max I go over or switch under/over's. I might try pulling over/under instead of over/under just for this discussion. I've been doing deads since five years ago this way (not the whole time)
If you don't like the over/under grip, try the hook grip. It's painful but works pretty well and is very secure. It took me a few weeks to get used to the pain.
FWIW, I was getting some low back pain on the side where my grip was supinated (palm out) and switching to the hook grip did help with that some.
Wow...I'm really glad I stumbled onto this thread. I've been using a left under right over grip since I started DL-ing...from like 185-455 / 3-4 years or so. My left bi is bigger than my right, and my right lat is bigger than my left (although neither very noticable...to other people at least). I never even considered that my DL grip was the cause until now. Needless to say, I'll be switching grips from time to time.
The way I dealt with the situation is to switch hand positions. I always do a even number of sets for deads. 3 right under / 3 right over.... feels weird at first but i got use to it. Give it a try.... Now this is just for power lifting purposes, for bodybuilding you have to be symmetrical so i say over hand. If you have small forearms i say for go the straps, they take stimulus away from your forearms.
I tried the hook grip today. Takes time to get used to. I also did the reverse over /under as I normally do under/over.
ive been using capsacin cream every couple of days since i hurt my back 4weeks ago. put some on last night and did a light deadlift day and felt great, no pain. im gonna take rodja's advice and use it before my deadlift days. gonna take it easy for the rest of tghe week and take next week off at the beach. im dying to hit the big weights again, but im making sure my back is 100%
i've always been afraid of imbalance development when using an over/under hand grip with deads, i usally alternate my grip with each set.
i never use straps, it actually makes it harder for me to pull, i think it's because i have small hands, and the increased circumference from the added straps effects my grip.
i found that paper towels make a great substitute for powder chalk if your gym doesnt allow it
I use the hook and like it for reasons mentioned earlier, but don't over think the over/under grip. It's not going to turn you into the guy who hasn't had his V8 yet; you won't turn into an unbalanced freak. If you want to switch, fine, but thousands of guys find which way they like to grip over/under and then pull like that for the rest of their lives with no problems. Use the grip that lets you pull the most!
the over under technique keeps cross torsion one the bar and makes your grip so much stronger
Strong people are harder to kill than weak people, and more useful in general. -Rippetoe
I personally prefer over hand grip for both hands with straps on the heavy lifts. For some reason when I try the over/under I tend to tork my upper body a little while pulling.