[bigironkiller]

can someone tell me if they have heard this. to keep strength even on light days you need to use 80-85% of your 1rm for 8-12sets of 1or 2 reps. i train wsb and ill i care about is strength.

[pmiller383]

On your light days your only suppose to use 50-60% for 8x2-3, at least according to WestSide or my understanding of it. I just started using a Westside protocol myself and I love it. By light days your referring to your Dynamic Effort days correct?

[bigironkiller]

correct, dynamic effort. i guess i was mistaken, because i have tried to follow westside very strictly.

[pmiller383]

Yeah from what I have read you only do 50-60% of your 1rep max on DE days but you do it with the same amount of force as you would 95-100%.This helps neural enhancement and increases explosive strength.

[bigironkiller]

yeah, after my post i read over 5 or so articles and 40-50% was the concensus. im trying right now to revamp my westside routine. how does this one look???

Mon-me bench or military 1rm
dips(weighted): 3-5sets of 5-8
pullups: 3-5sets of 5+
iron pushdown: 3sets of 5-8
Tues-me squat or dead 1rm
good morn: 3-5sets of 3-5
zecher squat(squat day)/low box squat(dead day): 5sets of 3-5
bb lunges:till failure
Wed-off
Thurs-de bench or military 8-12sets of 2 at 50+% of 1rm
overhead bb ext: 3-5sets of 5-8 explosive reps
cable rows: 3-5sets of 8
rev tri ext: 3-5sets of 8-12
Fri-de box squat@40+% for 8-12sets of 2, sumo deads@60-65% for 8-12 sets of 1
power jumps:5sets of 12
front squat(squat day)/low box squat(dead day): 5sets of 5-8
leg ext/curl: 5sets of 8-12 for each
Sat-off
Sun-off

[pmiller383]

Looks fine dude, I am by no means an expert on westside though, I am too making my own routine based on there principles. Mine Looks like:
Mon- ME Bench
A. Bench Work up to doubles
B. Chest Pullover variation 5x5
C. Floor Press/tricep variation- 3x8-10
D. Shoulder Press - 3x10-12
Tues-DE LowerBody
A. Olympic Lift- triples and doubles
B. Box Squats with Bands- 8x2-3
C. Dead variation - 3x12
D. Glute Ham raises- 3xnegatives til failure
Wed-Back
A. Heavy vertical pull
B, Heavy Horizontal Pull
c. moderate vert pull
D moderate Horizontal pull
E Hi row of some kind
Thurs-Off
Friday - Chest DE
A. Heavy Dips
DB work for rest of the day
Sat-ME legs
A. Singles on Deads (sumo or conventional)
B Triples on Box Squats (Front or Back)
C. Reverse Hypers- 4x12
D. Mobility and stretching/maybe biceps because I am trying to bring them up.
I am trying to mix bodybuilding with westside, I want to get my max numbers up for a competition but I also want to look good nekid lol. Like I said this isn't a conventional WSB routine but its based on the ideals.

[bigironkiller]

well, im still learning how to properly forumlate a westside routine, but i hope this will still produce some results while i continue to read more articles.

[pmiller383]

Originally Posted by bigironkiller

well, im still learning how to properly forumlate a westside routine, but i hope this will still produce some results while i continue to read more articles.

I hear ya man, Do you ever do suspended exercise like Good mornings?

Some advice for you though, If you decide to do any of the blast strap work that Dave Tate recommends go to a hardware store and pick up a tow rope for a car, then just drape it over the top of a powerrack and attach pulley handles and you have blast straps.
I am going to the store tomorrow to buy some heavy gauge rigging or netting to do suspended lifts instead of using chains, I would just use the tow rope but I would rather have two straps supporting weight than one. I am still trying to figure out a cheap way to get bands, I was actually thinking about contacting a manufacturer and making up a big lot of them then selling them on ebay or something cheaper.
Finally if you have any suggestions on how to get a cheap replacement for benching chains or weight releasers let me know.

[Lene28]

I have been doing Westside for a couple of years now and love it! One thing you need to change Bigironkiller is don't have your max effort days right by each other. They need to be at least 48 hours apart, and then your ME and DE need to be 72 hours apart. And they say never lift after a ME day, but if your like me and have a busy schedule sometimes that is not possible:
S-Off
M-DE Bench
T-ME Sqt/Dl
W-Off
Th-ME Bench
F-DE Sqt/Dl
Sat-Off This is how mine is set up, if you could switch fridays workout and do it on Saturday that would be best.

As far as the percents go on DE days 50%-60% is what you should be doing, however that is the BAR weight of your 1RM that does not include the bands or chains you should have on. So with the bands and chains you should be doing well over 60% of you 1RM but never put so much band tension or chain where you cannot perform the lifts very fast and explosively. And these squats should be to a box.
One thing that has made a big difference for me was on my ME Sqt/Dl day I squat heavy rotating the type of bar, band tension, and chains and I always pull right after I squat. I do rack pulls or pulls agains bands. And then on my DE day I will do speed squats and then a lot of accesory work. This is how Chuck Vogelpohl trains....except he won't do the speed squats.

Ok it's late and I can't type everything I know so if you have any more specific questions I would be happy to answer them the best I can....and if you want send me your email and I will send you a WS template i have.

[Lene28]

Hey Pmiller if you are trying to stick to Westside Principles but also gain some mass check out Westside for Skinny Bastards....

http://www.defrancostraining.com/articles/articles.htm

Joe Defranco developed it, the guy is a freakin genius!

[pmiller383]

I am getting ready to go do Good Mornings for the first time today for my ME work, this should be interesting.

[bigironkiller]

thanks lene, ill move the rotation of my workouts around to what you suggested. it makes sense not to do 2 me workouts in a row.

[keyrock24]

bigironkiller.I also do westside training and have been usiing a split like you have been using except I have been doing my bench and squat days on opposite days that you are using .Something like this ;

M- ME squat day
T- ME bench day
W-off
Th- DE squat day
F- DE bench day
Sat- off
Sun- off

2 ME days are hard to do 2 days in a row even with good steroids .I was taking Test Prop and halotestin when I started my first cycle .I only take TNE now and can not recover good enough to do 2 ME days in a row now plus I lost some of my strength I achieved with that cycle of prop and halo .

I will be starting my 7th week of my 2nd cycle Monday out of the 9 week cycle I have been following .I have been using the basic template outlined in the seminar slides video manual that Louis Simmons wrote .I downloaded it at elitefts.com .On DE days I use 50% for DE squat days at 10x2 and on DE bench days I use 60% at 10x3 .On ME days I use basically the same percentage's pyramid that Dave Tate outlined in "The Periodzation Bible-Part II " which is basically 10% to 90 % at 10% increases with the same reps he uses .He uses 5 reps at approximately 10% and 3 reps from 20 to 80% then 1x1 at 90%,95% and 100% .I usually try for a new 1rm at 105% and on up if I feel strong enough which I have not been able to do since I dropped the halo I was taking .Currently I am taking TNE twice a day along with Decabolen twice a day .

Lene28,I like the split you are using and may try it when I finish this cycle .It sounds a lot better than my current split even if I start taking Halo or something closely equivalently to it such as Anadrol or Tren A .

[bigironkiller]

i have been planning to do a cycle on tghe side recently, but ive also wanted to do a cut for the next 45 days to look good for the beach. right now i 250 at 6'2. my chest has a little fat to it and also my abdominal area. would still like to put on some lean muscle by using T-Roid for 4 weeks, but im not exactly sure what to do. i have never been big on doing ab exercises but latley i have really stepped it up and am seeing good results. so i think if i did use the t-roid im pretty sure i could get a good recomp effect as well. maybe save the cut for later.

[Lene28]

The reason you shouldn't do 2 ME workouts back to back is because your Nervous System needs 72 hours to fully recover. If you give yourself enough rest between ME workouts I promise you will see better results....change it up now don't waste results you could get while your on a cycle!