Beelze's lifting routine

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  1. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    And too many people preaching strenght are worried about those 5'10 165lb guys.


    And no, if you got strong, muscles don't just "grow". Its two compeltely different principles

    So true so true



  2. we're just from 2 completely different schools of lifting
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  3. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Bingo. From our resident OL'er
    :clean:


  4. and i revised my statement

  5. Quote Originally Posted by ryansm
    Define strength? Would a 169 pound guy that can clean and jerk over 400 pounds, squat ATG over 500, and front squat close to the same be strong?? (yes this is a real person)

    Muscle fiber efficiency. . .
    not too many guys out there are like this
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  6. No that is why they are Olympians


  7. Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    we're just from 2 completely different schools of lifting
    Its not a school, its recognizing that what you preach has an enormous amount of hyptrophy specific training. Something that you don't seem to realize.
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Its not a school, its recognizing that what you preach has an enormous amount of hyptrophy specific training than you realize.

    i know, i'm not saying it's wrong or knockin it, and i was wrong before about it and you corrected me, it's just newbies need to learn the basics and build from there, perfect example is dannyboy9's routine, the kid cant squat over 100lbs yet he's doing some routine that takes up like 50pages, just wrong. either way though, beelze's routine is good and has a lot of both worlds in it, i was just praising him because he thinks like me. if you want to look strong why not be strong. hence why this is in the powerlifting/strongman section. we have a problem with always wanting to lift heavier weights

  9. Damn fine post Beelze, if you don't mind I'd like to use some of your explanations over at M&F.com. I've been trying to explain the DC Routine over there and have actually linked your other thread for some examples.

    jecko

  10. So much to learn and enjoying every minute of new found information :P

  11. Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    i know, i'm not saying it's wrong or knockin it, and i was wrong before about it and you corrected me, it's just newbies need to learn the basics and build from there, perfect example is dannyboy9's routine, the kid cant squat over 100lbs yet he's doing some routine that takes up like 50pages, just wrong. either way though, beelze's routine is good and has a lot of both worlds in it, i was just praising him because he thinks like me. if you want to look strong why not be strong. hence why this is in the powerlifting/strongman section. we have a problem with always wanting to lift heavier weights
    You are fighting the dogma that more equals better. You are involved in a sport in which people seem to think they have to drastically overhaul their routines to get big. You are in a sport in wihch 99% don't even pay attention to what they put in their stomach. You are in a sport in which more time is spent on researching the HTPA (which they get wrong) than what makes up a simple protein. Of course you are going to have completely ignorant people because people aren't in this for the marathon. Give me some fancy training routine with a nice marketing ploy, shoot up 1g/week and talk to me in 8 weeks. Thats what they want.

    This sport is full of people looking for answers to the wrong questions and its why most of them fail. Of course it gets down to the basics which means you should break down DC, Iron Mans, etc.. routines for what they actually are, material I can find in my college text I bought 8 years ago which has been published for the last 20 years. People actually think static holds, rest pausing and extreme stretching was invented on the internet? Its incredible. A guy in here even used the term "DC Theory". Thats just a riot.

    I understand this is the powerlifting section but the routine I read has more to do with hypertrophy than actual powerlifting. And I agree its good because it incorporates 3 differnt type of stimulation similar to what any program based on periodiziation would do. I told Beelz to call it his own program because he is doing what every other trainer that has a reputation on these boards does, take existing information and put it together then call it their "own". If they can do it, why not him?

    But the guys that knock "bodybuilders" seem to incorporate a LOT of their techniques when it comes to training. Strongman training HEAVILY incorporates sarcoplasmic hypertrophy to increase muscular endurance but if some guy recommends that to a bodybuilder they get mocked.
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  12. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Its incredible. A guy in here even used the term "DC Theory". Thats just a riot.
    Wrong choice of words, shoulda said routine, I remember issues of Flex back in the day when Dorian used to lift the same way........my bad

    jecko

  13. Quote Originally Posted by jecko29
    Wrong choice of words, shoulda said routine, I remember issues of Flex back in the day when Dorian used to lift the same way........my bad

    jecko
    Not a dig on you man. If it sounded that way, I apologize
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  14. i'm not sure why there is a debate going on here. the post was nothing more than sharing with what i have used to get to the point where i am. some may consider it helpful, some may not. when i say TUT, i mean a slow tempo. most understand this and move on without further explanation. there is nothing new here as i've given credit where credit is due as to which lifting principles i learned where. DC made known to me this routine, SB gave me a calf routine with other tips, goldenear gave me progressive overload. i have created nothing and dare i say, neither have they. i have no issue at all with bodybuilders, i started out as one but eventualy became more interested in strength than anything else, hence my routine. yes, it does still involved some bb'ing ideas that i clung to. will strength training alone build more mass? to some degree - yes. but not to the degree of hypertrophy specific training.

    this is becoming childish.

  15. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Not a dig on you man. If it sounded that way, I apologize
    No worries, after re-reading it I can see where you were coming from

    jecko

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    i'm not sure why there is a debate going on here. the post was nothing more than sharing with what i have used to get to the point where i am. some may consider it helpful, some may not. when i say TUT, i mean a slow tempo. most understand this and move on without further explanation. there is nothing new here as i've given credit where credit is due as to which lifting principles i learned where. DC made known to me this routine, SB gave me a calf routine with other tips, goldenear gave me progressive overload. i have created nothing and dare i say, neither have they. i have no issue at all with bodybuilders, i started out as one but eventualy became more interested in strength than anything else, hence my routine. yes, it does still involved some bb'ing ideas that i clung to. will strength training alone build more mass? to some degree - yes. but not to the degree of hypertrophy specific training.

    this is becoming childish.
    Shut up. We're bored.
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  17. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    Shut up. We're bored.
    lol, very well - carry on.

  18. i've never once knocked a bodybuilder on here. and i have a great respect for what they do. and in my sport more does = better. more weight lifted = better at your sport.

    and you saying that 99% of powerlifters dont care what they put in their mouth is just a crazy statement.

  19. Quote Originally Posted by guyfromkop2
    i've never once knocked a bodybuilder on here. and i have a great respect for what they do. and in my sport more does = better. more weight lifted = better at your sport.

    and you saying that 99% of powerlifters dont care what they put in their mouth is just a crazy statement.
    I said 99% of the people overall, not just powerlifters. Drinking an occasional protein shake doens't count either.

    More sets don't equal more results. You said his routine was 50 pages.
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  20. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    I said 99% of the people overall, not just powerlifters. Drinking an occasional protein shake doens't count either.

    More sets don't equal more results. You said his routine was 50 pages.

    i dont knwo what's exactly in his routine, i just know it was about 50 pages. if i have to read 50 pages to outline a routine then i'm not interested.

    and i know more sets done equal more results. i did 12 total sets on monday's workout

  21. I assumed it was a ****load of sets but the point applies. People follow these 20+ set routines.
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  22. Am I losing my marbles or was this a sticky earlier?

  23. Quote Originally Posted by Beowulf
    Am I losing my marbles or was this a sticky earlier?
    you're losing it. the only sticky is on your chin

  24. Quote Originally Posted by Bobo
    I assumed it was a ****load of sets but the point applies. People follow these 20+ set routines.
    very true. a lot of them do.......a lot of them don't also

  25. Quote Originally Posted by Beelzebub
    you're losing it. the only sticky is on your chin
    Bada-boom! Alright Beelzy, time for an ass whooping for you :bruce3:
    (or am I just techno dancing in a gay yellow suit?)
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