Beelze's lifting routine

ryansm · 05-30-2006, 08:27 PM

No that is why they are Olympians

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-30-2006, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by guyfromkop2

we're just from 2 completely different schools of lifting

Its not a school, its recognizing that what you preach has an enormous amount of hyptrophy specific training. Something that you don't seem to realize.

guyfromkop2 · 05-30-2006, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

Its not a school, its recognizing that what you preach has an enormous amount of hyptrophy specific training than you realize.

i know, i'm not saying it's wrong or knockin it, and i was wrong before about it and you corrected me, it's just newbies need to learn the basics and build from there, perfect example is dannyboy9's routine, the kid cant squat over 100lbs yet he's doing some routine that takes up like 50pages, just wrong. either way though, beelze's routine is good and has a lot of both worlds in it, i was just praising him because he thinks like me. if you want to look strong why not be strong. hence why this is in the powerlifting/strongman section. we have a problem with always wanting to lift heavier weights

jecko29 · 05-30-2006, 08:49 PM

Damn fine post Beelze, if you don't mind I'd like to use some of your explanations over at M&F.com. I've been trying to explain the DC Routine over there and have actually linked your other thread for some examples.

jecko

**Jayhawkk** · 05-30-2006, 08:51 PM

So much to learn and enjoying every minute of new found information :P

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-30-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by guyfromkop2

i know, i'm not saying it's wrong or knockin it, and i was wrong before about it and you corrected me, it's just newbies need to learn the basics and build from there, perfect example is dannyboy9's routine, the kid cant squat over 100lbs yet he's doing some routine that takes up like 50pages, just wrong. either way though, beelze's routine is good and has a lot of both worlds in it, i was just praising him because he thinks like me. if you want to look strong why not be strong. hence why this is in the powerlifting/strongman section. we have a problem with always wanting to lift heavier weights

You are fighting the dogma that more equals better. You are involved in a sport in which people seem to think they have to drastically overhaul their routines to get big. You are in a sport in wihch 99% don't even pay attention to what they put in their stomach. You are in a sport in which more time is spent on researching the HTPA (which they get wrong) than what makes up a simple protein. Of course you are going to have completely ignorant people because people aren't in this for the marathon. Give me some fancy training routine with a nice marketing ploy, shoot up 1g/week and talk to me in 8 weeks. Thats what they want.

This sport is full of people looking for answers to the wrong questions and its why most of them fail. Of course it gets down to the basics which means you should break down DC, Iron Mans, etc.. routines for what they actually are, material I can find in my college text I bought 8 years ago which has been published for the last 20 years. People actually think static holds, rest pausing and extreme stretching was invented on the internet? Its incredible. A guy in here even used the term "DC Theory". Thats just a riot.

I understand this is the powerlifting section but the routine I read has more to do with hypertrophy than actual powerlifting. And I agree its good because it incorporates 3 differnt type of stimulation similar to what any program based on periodiziation would do. I told Beelz to call it his own program because he is doing what every other trainer that has a reputation on these boards does, take existing information and put it together then call it their "own". If they can do it, why not him?

But the guys that knock "bodybuilders" seem to incorporate a LOT of their techniques when it comes to training. Strongman training HEAVILY incorporates sarcoplasmic hypertrophy to increase muscular endurance but if some guy recommends that to a bodybuilder they get mocked.

jecko29 · 05-30-2006, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

Its incredible. A guy in here even used the term "DC Theory". Thats just a riot.

Wrong choice of words, shoulda said routine, I remember issues of Flex back in the day when Dorian used to lift the same way........my bad

jecko

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-30-2006, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jecko29

Wrong choice of words, shoulda said routine, I remember issues of Flex back in the day when Dorian used to lift the same way........my bad

jecko

Not a dig on you man. If it sounded that way, I apologize

**Beelzebub** · 05-30-2006, 09:17 PM

i'm not sure why there is a debate going on here. the post was nothing more than sharing with what i have used to get to the point where i am. some may consider it helpful, some may not. when i say TUT, i mean a slow tempo. most understand this and move on without further explanation. there is nothing new here as i've given credit where credit is due as to which lifting principles i learned where. DC made known to me this routine, SB gave me a calf routine with other tips, goldenear gave me progressive overload. i have created nothing and dare i say, neither have they. i have no issue at all with bodybuilders, i started out as one but eventualy became more interested in strength than anything else, hence my routine. yes, it does still involved some bb'ing ideas that i clung to. will strength training alone build more mass? to some degree - yes. but not to the degree of hypertrophy specific training.

this is becoming childish.

jecko29 · 05-30-2006, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

Not a dig on you man. If it sounded that way, I apologize

No worries, after re-reading it I can see where you were coming from

jecko

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-30-2006, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Beelzebub

i'm not sure why there is a debate going on here. the post was nothing more than sharing with what i have used to get to the point where i am. some may consider it helpful, some may not. when i say TUT, i mean a slow tempo. most understand this and move on without further explanation. there is nothing new here as i've given credit where credit is due as to which lifting principles i learned where. DC made known to me this routine, SB gave me a calf routine with other tips, goldenear gave me progressive overload. i have created nothing and dare i say, neither have they. i have no issue at all with bodybuilders, i started out as one but eventualy became more interested in strength than anything else, hence my routine. yes, it does still involved some bb'ing ideas that i clung to. will strength training alone build more mass? to some degree - yes. but not to the degree of hypertrophy specific training.

this is becoming childish.

Shut up. We're bored.

**Beelzebub** · 05-30-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

Shut up. We're bored.

lol, very well - carry on.

guyfromkop2 · 05-30-2006, 09:22 PM

i've never once knocked a bodybuilder on here. and i have a great respect for what they do. and in my sport more does = better. more weight lifted = better at your sport.

and you saying that 99% of powerlifters dont care what they put in their mouth is just a crazy statement.

**Yukon Cornelius** · 05-30-2006, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by guyfromkop2

i've never once knocked a bodybuilder on here. and i have a great respect for what they do. and in my sport more does = better. more weight lifted = better at your sport.

and you saying that 99% of powerlifters dont care what they put in their mouth is just a crazy statement.

I said 99% of the people overall, not just powerlifters. Drinking an occasional protein shake doens't count either.

More sets don't equal more results. You said his routine was 50 pages.

guyfromkop2 · 05-30-2006, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobo

I said 99% of the people overall, not just powerlifters. Drinking an occasional protein shake doens't count either.

More sets don't equal more results. You said his routine was 50 pages.

i dont knwo what's exactly in his routine, i just know it was about 50 pages. if i have to read 50 pages to outline a routine then i'm not interested.

and i know more sets done equal more results. i did 12 total sets on monday's workout