How strong was Arnold?
- 09-04-2005, 11:12 PM
- 09-04-2005, 11:33 PM
looks like he's benching 385 without too much of a problem
- 09-04-2005, 11:34 PM
He won a few powerlifting comps in his early days; when he still lived in Europe.
09-05-2005, 12:05 AM
pretty damn strong but i dont believe he could touch the real heavyweights nowadays, bodybuilding. (coleman, jackson,etc)
09-05-2005, 02:27 AM
I could never find out exactly what his max bench was... But, I did read in his encyclopedia that he used to do cheat curls with 275, just to show off at Venice Beach.
I don't think he's nearly as strong as the guys now, though.
09-05-2005, 02:37 AM
I believe his max bench was around 500lbs....he was pretty strong. I don't know any of the other lifts, however.
09-05-2005, 09:22 AM
You have to take into account that he wasn't using even close to the amount of drugs the guys nowadays do. The advances in supplements and overall knowledge have changed a whole lot over the years as well. Arnold was a badass in his day. I'd like to see how the bodybuilders of now would do in the 60's and 70's.
09-05-2005, 09:31 AM
arnold looked alot better then the mass monsters of today
09-05-2005, 09:33 AM
I concur.Originally Posted by bubba04
09-05-2005, 12:31 PM
By far. I'm always amazed watching Pumping Iron. These guys weren't just big, they had a great overall fitness level.Originally Posted by bubba04
09-05-2005, 12:31 PM
09-05-2005, 12:32 PM
read where arnold said he could put up 405 for 8-10 reps on flat bench. so, probably around 500 max. might have been in his encyclopedia, can't remember exactly where he said it, but he did say it.
09-05-2005, 12:45 PM
09-05-2005, 02:00 PM
I was under the impression that Franco was stronger than Arnold. I know Franco had a world record dead for awhile.Originally Posted by EEmain
09-05-2005, 02:06 PM
Franco could Deadlift 700lbs at a weight of 185lbs....not sure if he did it for reps though, but I believe he did!
09-05-2005, 02:06 PM
I wish I could find Franco's deadlifting pic for the record, I have seen it before. Arnold and Franco must have had some cell tech for sure.
09-05-2005, 02:10 PM
Got this from a google search.
Titles Won in Powerlifting:
• Champion of Italy
• Champion of Germany
• Champion of Europe
• World Champion
World Records in Powerlifting:
• Bench Press 520 lbs.
• Squat 655 lbs.
• Deadlift 750 lbs.
Records in Weightlifting:
• Olympic Press 325 lbs.
• Snatch 270 lbs.
• Clean and Jerk 400 lbs.
Thats for Franco, dunno if Arnold had any.
09-05-2005, 02:25 PM
I love that pic of franco deadlfiting and that pic of arnold squatting. There is no way anyone could possibly go any lower on that squat.
09-05-2005, 03:51 PM
Yeah but look at the caption in the book. Arnold wrote that the weight on the bench in the pic was 450lbs. So...Originally Posted by italionstallion
09-05-2005, 05:54 PM
Agreed. Arnie was in a class all his own...he was just a pure athlete all around.Originally Posted by natedogg
09-05-2005, 08:06 PM
Yep, didn't Arnie play soccer in Austria?Originally Posted by lifted
09-05-2005, 09:33 PM
09-06-2005, 08:48 AM
Arnold was on David Letterman one night, and Dave asked him
what was his best bench and Arnold told him 540lbs.
09-06-2005, 07:13 PM
what did they use for gear back then and what doses? test cyp? primo depot? para?
09-06-2005, 08:07 PM
I don't know....every time this topic comes up there are stories of him using just dbol, while other people say that he (they) still had a lot of other aas back then as well....not sure what to believe other than they were pioneers in their field, that's for sure.Originally Posted by ryanbodybuilder
09-07-2005, 05:16 AM
09-07-2005, 05:32 AM
Yep, and both are leading healthy active lives decades later. Kinda blows that roids will kill you thing out of the water. My doc says roids are, in general, about as unhealthy for you as long term antibiotic usage, which is rampant in the US.Originally Posted by lifted
09-07-2005, 09:17 AM
09-07-2005, 10:54 AM
That was a genetic issue just like David letterman triple by passOriginally Posted by glenihan
09-07-2005, 10:54 AM
Which was supposedly congenital. Could have been aggrevated by the steroid use, but I doubt his valve problem was entirely due to anabolics....aside from arnold's major heart surgery
09-07-2005, 12:03 PM
Yea i second that, he did have major heart surgery.Originally Posted by glenihan
09-07-2005, 12:35 PM
yeah and flex wheeler's kidney problems were genetic too ... the abuse of lasix etc. didn't play a MAJOR role at allOriginally Posted by sctxms
09-07-2005, 01:49 PM
I heard that the doc's said that was genetic, not gear related.Originally Posted by glenihan
09-07-2005, 02:57 PM
i'm not gonna challenge a doctor BUT arnold has tons of money and knows LOTS of people
09-07-2005, 07:24 PM
True. But I also think that with the hysteria surrounding steroids when ever they are mentioned, that some news channel would have been all over this if it had been caused by steroids.Originally Posted by glenihan
09-07-2005, 08:06 PM
ANYONE who has done ANY AS and has a physical problem it is DIRECTLY related to the AS use.
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09-07-2005, 10:11 PM
crowler you know i don't think that ... just in this specific case i think it is very possible AAS played a role
09-07-2005, 10:28 PM
I think that he may have had a congenital heart condition, and AAS didnt help any. From everything I read, the surgery was to repair a defective aortic valve - usually those kind of heart conditions are present at birth. (Mitral Valve Prolapse, etc.) I think that an Aortic valve becomes defective when it becomes calcified from high cholesterol - perhaps years of methylated anabolics had his HDL so low for such a long time that it resulted in him needing heart surgery down the road.
Still - probably would have happened anyway (perhaps later in life) - if he had never touched the stuff. Over 80,000 people every year get an aortic valve replaced - I wonder how many were professional body builders.
We all know these, but just to make a point:
Arnold's Peak Stats:
Arms: 22 inches
Chest: 57 inches
Waist: 34 inches
Thighs: 28.5 inches
Calves: 20 inches
Weight: 235 pounds
Height: 6 feet 2 inches
No doubt he was a big dude - but I bet he would have been a good 220-225 even if he had never touched anabolics. I doubt any of the guys back then were pounding down enough juice to cause their hearts to explode from drug use alone.
09-10-2005, 12:30 PM
09-10-2005, 03:03 PM
Arnold was pretty strong but Franco was a lot stronger. In Arnolds book he says Franco benched 500 for reps.
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