How strong was Arnold?
- 09-07-2005, 01:03 PM
- 09-07-2005, 01:35 PM
Originally Posted by sctxms
- 09-07-2005, 02:49 PM
09-07-2005, 03:57 PM
09-07-2005, 08:24 PM
True. But I also think that with the hysteria surrounding steroids when ever they are mentioned, that some news channel would have been all over this if it had been caused by steroids.Originally Posted by glenihan
09-07-2005, 09:06 PM
ANYONE who has done ANY AS and has a physical problem it is DIRECTLY related to the AS use.
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09-07-2005, 11:11 PM
crowler you know i don't think that ... just in this specific case i think it is very possible AAS played a role
09-07-2005, 11:28 PM
I think that he may have had a congenital heart condition, and AAS didnt help any. From everything I read, the surgery was to repair a defective aortic valve - usually those kind of heart conditions are present at birth. (Mitral Valve Prolapse, etc.) I think that an Aortic valve becomes defective when it becomes calcified from high cholesterol - perhaps years of methylated anabolics had his HDL so low for such a long time that it resulted in him needing heart surgery down the road.
Still - probably would have happened anyway (perhaps later in life) - if he had never touched the stuff. Over 80,000 people every year get an aortic valve replaced - I wonder how many were professional body builders.
We all know these, but just to make a point:
Arnold's Peak Stats:
Arms: 22 inches
Chest: 57 inches
Waist: 34 inches
Thighs: 28.5 inches
Calves: 20 inches
Weight: 235 pounds
Height: 6 feet 2 inches
No doubt he was a big dude - but I bet he would have been a good 220-225 even if he had never touched anabolics. I doubt any of the guys back then were pounding down enough juice to cause their hearts to explode from drug use alone.
09-10-2005, 01:30 PM
09-10-2005, 04:03 PM
Arnold was pretty strong but Franco was a lot stronger. In Arnolds book he says Franco benched 500 for reps.
09-10-2005, 06:10 PM
I want to know the doses of gear they used.....I also heard arnold lived by a rule of 6 months on, 6 months off each year.....
09-10-2005, 06:20 PM
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12-03-2005, 04:37 PM
I would take an educated guess that his continuance low HDL may have played a role in his condition. I would also be willing to say that his drug usage may have helped in that fact, dunno for sure, but aswhat iv'e read and from what i've dealt with in 7 years, i would say it's possible.
I look at it like this, honestly, how well was PCT done 20+ years ago? I would say that if, now adays, PCT is better,(??) Then back then PCT was somewhat a bit worse, so would this not cause AAS to be more of an ill-effect during the off period, as compared to the 90s? Correct me on this if so, but i believe as calcium rises, theres more of a chance for platletes to collect, which heightens the chances for blockage...not pointing to arnold's condition directly but just in general...however a high dairy diet over a life time can mimic the same ill effects....dunno, but that's something i would like to investigate further.
But, on the other comment...Flex's problems were probably directly related to heavy abuse and a total lack of precautions, but that's for every drug known, so AAS cant just be blaimed for his misfortunes. Tho it could have easily been a major player in the condition
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12-03-2005, 05:33 PM
bro why is your post all in italics?
I think Arnold's heart condition may have been aggrevated by his steroid use - but usually what he needed (an Aortic valve replacement) is a genetic thing. There are thousands of heart-related surgeries every year in people of all ages, and I'd bet that only a small percentage of those people use or have used anabolic drugs.
Flex's kidney condition was due to heavy abuse of NSAIDS, which aggrevated a genetic condition that he didnt know he had (according to what he said, anyway)
That's why its really important to get your bloodwork done if you're going to use anabolic drugs. Hell, even if you're a natural bodybuilder and are on an extended high-calorie/high-protien diet. Who knows what little genetic ******* problems are lurking in your DNA, waiting to take you down.
12-04-2005, 07:56 AM
When Arnold was in town to promote his book An Education of a Body Builder way back when (79-80?), My brother I got to spend some time alone with him in the gym. We asked him about steroids and he admitted to us that he used and that everyone who competed was on juice. We asked him when we could start juicing and he told us to workout a few more years ( I was 19 and my brother was 17) at least. And if we decided to juice to never use for more than 3 months at a time. Also, he was very thin and ripped at the time. He said the producers wanted him to lose weight before filming the Running Man. He was very funning and direct. Very charismatic and confident. He even told us that he will become a super star.
12-04-2005, 11:33 PM
12-04-2005, 11:40 PM
12-04-2005, 11:51 PM
Woah, you got to talk to Arnold? That's wicked...When Arnold was in town to promote his book An Education of a Body Builder way back when (79-80?), My brother I got to spend some time alone with him in the gym. We asked him about steroids and he admitted to us that he used and that everyone who competed was on juice. We asked him when we could start juicing and he told us to workout a few more years ( I was 19 and my brother was 17) at least. And if we decided to juice to never use for more than 3 months at a time. Also, he was very thin and ripped at the time. He said the producers wanted him to lose weight before filming the Running Man. He was very funning and direct. Very charismatic and confident. He even told us that he will become a super star.
Yeah he talks about a lot of stuff on the DVD - you should check it out.Originally Posted by glenihan
It's in the special features on the 25th special anniversary dvd.what part does he do this?
12-05-2005, 12:01 AM
My favorite line "I did smoke the marijuana cigarette....and I did inhale...unlike some people"Originally Posted by BigVrunga
12-05-2005, 12:15 AM
I got the special edition of Pumping Iron and Arnold talked about bb and steroids in one of the special feature vignettes.
Arnold did compete in strength and powerlifting competitions. Back then bb and powerlifting/olympic lifting sports were much closer.
The pic of Franco pressing 4plates+ with no leg drive is awesome.
12-05-2005, 08:36 AM
12-05-2005, 08:45 AM
How about when he picks up 315 and start pressing it over his head yelling 'ARNOLD! ARNOLD! ARNOLD!'.The pic of Franco pressing 4plates+ with no leg drive is awesome.
Yeah, that's priceless! I think that's the same section he talks about the gear usage in.My favorite line "I did smoke the marijuana cigarette....and I did inhale...unlike some people"
12-05-2005, 09:28 AM
^I didnt even know it was in italics; i think my keyboard is screwed up or something?
But, yeah, that's what i said in my post...("that's for every drug known")ANY drug can cause those effects, NSAIDS included.I only stated "probably", asin maybe a combination of misconduct/carelessness/lack of precaution... 40% of one, 60% of the other
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12-05-2005, 09:33 AM
I read that arnold put up 225 for 50reps like it was nothing. Not only strong but great muscle endurance.
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