chalk? or straps....

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  1. haha, Ive also seen Dorian Yates where lifting gloves, that doesnt mean they where necessary or any less lame. Proponents of straps will say that they can get more reps because there grip doesnt fail, bla bla...last time I checked this was a Powerlifting and Strongman section. As a competive powerlifter I would get laughed out of my gym for wearing straps....this strap issue would be better served in the natural bodybuilding section I think.


  2. Quote Originally Posted by GeraldNY181 View Post
    haha, Ive also seen Dorian Yates where lifting gloves, that doesnt mean they where necessary or any less lame. Proponents of straps will say that they can get more reps because there grip doesnt fail, bla bla...last time I checked this was a Powerlifting and Strongman section. As a competive powerlifter I would get laughed out of my gym for wearing straps....this strap issue would be better served in the natural bodybuilding section I think.
    I agree in that straps are next to worthless as far as powerlifting is concerned. My point is that to make a statement that only newbs need straps is a flat out lie, actually as one would become more advanced he would be more likely to need straps, as his larger muscle groups would be less likely to fail before his grip.
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  3. haha, ok ok, Ill leave you alone- your right, straps are awesome for advanced athletes.

  4. I think if your intention is to truly isolate the target muscles til failure then yes, straps have their place. But my grip strength and pride are too important to me; I don't want to lift something I'm not strong enough to hold using chalk. Would rather force myself to improve my grip.

    They have there place. Strongman much more so than powerlifting, but even strongmen allowed straps in contest need absurd grip that straps may not be the best for building.

  5. Quote Originally Posted by GeraldNY181 View Post
    haha, ok ok, Ill leave you alone- your right, straps are awesome for advanced athletes.
    I never said that.

    Not one time actually.

    I don't think ATHLETES should use them at all, just like I don't think powerlifters should (which I said BTW). And I was speaking solely about physique trainees, although I realize (after you said it actually) that this is in PLing/Strongman subforum but was speaking specifically about physique (in relation to your comment that this would be better served in the BBing section).

    Thought that was apparent when I brought up a guy who trains for his physique (Terry Crews).

  6. I have seen guys like Kirk Karwalski use straps more than a decade ago and that guy could Squat 1,004!!! I would say that was Advanced as far as being an athlete!! Hahaha he would use them on back days

  7. Quote Originally Posted by GeraldNY181 View Post
    haha, Ive also seen Dorian Yates where lifting gloves, that doesnt mean they where necessary or any less lame. Proponents of straps will say that they can get more reps because there grip doesnt fail, bla bla...last time I checked this was a Powerlifting and Strongman section. As a competive powerlifter I would get laughed out of my gym for wearing straps....this strap issue would be better served in the natural bodybuilding section I think.
    That's funny because every powerlifter I've ever trained with owns a pair of straps to use for overload and/or if they have injury issues. Also, Kroc, Wendler, Chuck, Lilly, etc. have all used straps at various times in their training. You might want to park the attitude and open your mind a little bit.

    Chris Duffin aka Kabuki wears straps and hold multiple records. Why don't you go post in his thread on here that he is a newbie because he uses straps?
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  8. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    That's funny because every powerlifter I've ever trained with owns a pair of straps to use for overload and/or if they have injury issues. Also, Kroc, Wendler, Chuck, Lilly, etc. have all used straps at various times in their training. You might want to park the attitude and open your mind a little bit.

    Chris Duffin aka Kabuki wears straps and hold multiple records. Why don't you go post in his thread on here that he is a newbie because he uses straps?
    I did not know that, very interesting.

    I knew they had their place, but didn't think many PLers would find use for them.

  9. i use straps like others have said for kroc rows, high rep BB rows, high rep deadlifts. i also do farmers and lots of KB work along with all my max work with deads are without straps. my grip has gotten stronger from that combination. my grip is now not the weak link in farmers anymore. i will dump a load when the pain gets to be too much but i rarely dump due to grip loss.
    you can call me "ozzie" for short.

  10. 2 cents again...

    1) If the grip becomes a limiting factor, and I need to really train hard, I will use straps, as I want to get everything from the legs, hips, back and not let the grip get in the way.
    2) If it is pulling as in deads, and I am going over 3-5 reps. I use straps so I pull without torquing my torso using a mixed grip for higfher reps. I always use straps for stuff like RDL's, x8's x10's+ and shrugs, maybe even bent rows.
    3) I also have noticed, that if my dead goes up #25, my grip, even though I was using straps, will follow suit most times and be fine for low reps and max weights.
    4) Why not use both? I mean why limit your choices?
    5) Gripping muscles seem to recover pretty quickly (2 days) so I always have room for grip work ie: static holds or some squeezing and one arm pickups.
    6) I use chalk quite a bit too.
    7) If strapping, wear them more down on the back of the hand then wrap, don't wear them on the wrists.
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  11. Look into Liquid Grip. Stuff is awesome and great if chalk is not allowed. I tried it doing deads the other day and i swore my skin would have ripped off my hand before i let go of the bar.
    Remember why you started.

  12. Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    and i swore my skin would have ripped off my hand before i let go of the bar.
    AHAHAAAA...
    Speaking of tearing callouses, I got to remember to sand mine down a bit. I just had one break and you could almost hear it crack open.

  13. Screw straps. Where's the grip strength in that? Always use chalk. Only time I use straps is when I'm doing 500+ pound shrugs
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  14. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Screw straps. Where's the grip strength in that?
    But what if he's not training grip, but grip becomes the limiting factor in working his posterior chain? There is always time to train grip strength on the side. I used to feel the same way you did, but found it was more from an ego base instead of using any tools made available to get all over stronger.
    Just my 2 cents ;-)
  15. chalk? or straps....


    Conversely, if you NEVER use straps, your grip may NEVER be the problem. I don't use em, and I've not ever had an issue with grip strength giving out before the muscle I'm working does.

    Stay ahead of the game with grip strength, straps will never be necessary. But, to each their own. More than 1 way to skin a cat.
    Don't worry, man, someday I'ma be nobody too.

  16. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    Conversely, if you NEVER use straps, your grip may NEVER be the problem. I don't use em, and I've not ever had an issue with grip strength giving out before the muscle I'm working does.

    Stay ahead of the game with grip strength, straps will never be necessary. But, to each their own. More than 1 way to skin a cat.

    And honestly 5 years ago, I would have agreed totally with your statement. Here' s a few things...
    You look from your stats that you are a big guy, so big hands. I have been said to have mitts, but the blessing were not all even across the board for me haha. Other guys with smaller hands (Kirk Karwoski was one) may need the straps for getting the work in, then worry about grip issues after they get there.
    Pulling with a mixed grip for reps higher than 6's-8's-10's tends to torque the torso in one given direction to either the left or right.
    Just my 2 pesos my friend.
    All the best in the quest
  17. chalk? or straps....


    I agree on mixed grip; I save that for lower rep work (main lift in 5/3/1), but use double overhand for assistance work. I also swap the over/under hand as well, but not sure that's germane to this discussion.
    Don't worry, man, someday I'ma be nobody too.

  18. Quote Originally Posted by Swanson52 View Post
    but use double overhand for assistance work. I also swap the over/under hand as well, but not sure that's germane to this discussion.
    You mean hooking or are you just holding double overhand no thumb clasp??? Cause if you are, that is pretty beastly my friend. Are you a COC #3 closer too? Hahaha

  19. You don't have to train for grip... It comes naturally when you don't assist them. I do double overhand when I'm Deadlifting to 500+. I switch grip up to 600
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  20. If your competing your gonna learn to use no straps. Like I said I can pull 700+ without thinking bout straps and never have trained grip
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  21. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    You don't have to train for grip... It comes naturally when you don't assist them. I do double overhand when I'm Deadlifting to 500+. I switch grip up to 600
    Maybe not for you, but to say that grip doesn't need to be trained is wrong. If grip wasn't such a limiting factor, then there wouldn't be the myriad of training implements to enhance grip.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  22. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    Maybe not for you, but to say that grip doesn't need to be trained is wrong. If grip wasn't such a limiting factor, then there wouldn't be the myriad of training implements to enhance grip.
    I'm not saying it couldn't work for the better. I should have put imo of what I do. I'm sure if I trained it it could only be better but I still disagree with straps and that's what this is about.
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  23. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    I'm not saying it couldn't work for the better. I should have put imo of what I do. I'm sure if I trained it it could only be better but I still disagree with straps and that's what this is about.
    Straps are like any other tool out there. They have a place in the bag and those that say that they have no place are just plain arrogant.
    M.Ed. Ex Phys


  24. Quote Originally Posted by Rodja View Post

    Straps are like any other tool out there. They have a place in the bag and those that say that they have no place are just plain arrogant.
    True. I did state I used them for heavy shrugs 5+ plates. Couldn't imagine doing them without em
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  25. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    If your competing your gonna learn to use no straps. Like I said I can pull 700+ without thinking bout straps and never have trained grip
    If I am pulling singles dubs or trips high 5's to 6's I use a mixed grip and switch it up rt over then rt under. I have even used mixed grip doing pin pulls with just over #800. But all I am saying is why not have the straps in the tool box, especially if the grip gets wasted and you still need to do say RDL's ;-)

  26. If you use straps your grip will never improve. Strength training includes grip strength.

  27. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post

    If I am pulling singles dubs or trips high 5's to 6's I use a mixed grip and switch it up rt over then rt under. I have even used mixed grip doing pin pulls with just over #800. But all I am saying is why not have the straps in the tool box, especially if the grip gets wasted and you still need to do say RDL's ;-)
    I can dig it
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  28. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    If your competing your gonna learn to use no straps. Like I said I can pull 700+ without thinking bout straps and never have trained grip
    And BTW AB, dang nice pulling there....!!!!
    What is your squat if I may ask?

  29. Quote Originally Posted by PaulBlack View Post

    And BTW AB, dang nice pulling there....!!!!
    What is your squat if I may ask?
    Thank you brother! My squats my weakest but hit a proper 650. Anything higher I get sloppy. I don't even think I can hit that now. Inbetween 6-650 is where I'm comfortable
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  30. Quote Originally Posted by Airborne42 View Post
    Thank you brother! My squats my weakest but hit a proper 650. Anything higher I get sloppy. I don't even think I can hit that now. Inbetween 6-650 is where I'm comfortable
    Real nice.
    You got my plow cleaned by #150-#175 at least...!
    Skrong shtuff ;-)
  

  
 

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