I started the ageforce patch supplimembs about two months ago and wanted to let everyone know how they work. I used a test patch, hgh patch and NO patch. Thumbs up to all three. The NO patch worked from day one I noticed more O2 and quicker recovery between sets. The hgh was noticed from day one as well allowing more and deeper sleep. The test patch took about 3 weeks to kick in, buit when it did I saw an increase in wt and still grunter pr's but with less effort than before. If you are interested in a non steroidal suppliment go to ageforce.com. THEY WORK!!