- 08-15-2011, 05:42 PM
Right, if you're sitting at a desk, eating a 1200 + calorie meal, your body will process this....but the excess cals it doesn't need as energy at the time gets store as fat. I like to keep blood sugar levels pretty even all day too, and eating regularly / smaller meals / more often helps that out a lot too.
I've tried many diets in the past. CKD has shown me the most results when recomping, and worked well when in ketosis. But when bulking, eating something every 2-3 hours, and keeping myself full, gave me the best results. I am also on HRT, so all of my hormones are primed. Test/thyroid, etc all at top of range. I will still gain fat if I eat too much at once.
- 08-15-2011, 09:39 PM
You dont understand the body do you? You think eating one 1200 cal meal for 4 hrs will be diff then eating 2 600 cal meals for 4 hrs? Not likely. I mean everyone has their own way to diet and to see results. I like to eat 4-5 meals a day and let my stomach empty some and get an appitite to bulk.
08-15-2011, 11:44 PM
I do, and if you're eating very cleanly, no that shouldn't be too much of a difference...meaning only complex carbs, low GI foods, beef, casein, slow digesting foods. I wouldn't want to take it past 4 hours though. If you're getting 1200 cals in one sitting, of clean clean food, and doing this multiple times per day, then you're very disciplined and/or have a great appetite.
To get to 1200 clean calories in one sitting, would be pretty tough, for me anyhow. Whole milk, coconut milk (as a carb source), etc isn't considered clean to me, even though they easily boost cals (on paleo and modified diets). I don't eat grains either anymore now, which makes it even more difficult to get clean cals in.
08-16-2011, 12:26 AM
You eat rice and potatoes? But just diet the way that works for you man. I generally avoid grains, milk, and most other allergins. Healthy fats, rice and taters, meats and eggs, fruit and veggies is what most of my diet consists of. A lil cheese hear and there too. To bad cheese and rice are so acidic lol But eating high protein/fats should make it pretty easy to get cals.
08-16-2011, 12:45 AM
2 tbsp of EVOO
2 cups quinoa
1 scoop whey, egg or casein
4oz sweet potato
1 tbsp of EVOO
1/2 tbsp butter
8 oz sirloin
Easily over 1200 calories and very doable in one sitting, especially after fasting 16 hours.
08-16-2011, 01:17 AM
^ that looks pretty good.
no rice, no quinoa, no dairy but sweet potatoes + fruit I'll be eating more of.
mangos, coconut, pineapple, berries all the good stuff, as many leafy greens as possible too
Of course lots of eggs, beef, bacon, all meat and lots of fat, no draining. lots of evoo and fish oil to balance it out, coconut oil too
08-16-2011, 06:28 AM
You have to look at every day of leangains as a mini recomp. 16 hours cutting and 8 hours bulking. I have done ckd and TKD and keto and found this suits me best and gives the most consistent results. For me it was a hassle to cook all the time, bring a load of food to work, and generally have my whole day's activities governed by eating. Now I have most of the day free from these constraints and knowing I can eat like a demon when my fast breaks. I am stronger and leaner than I have been for a long while so I will continue with this for as long as I can Horses for courses mate. Do whatever works and suits. We can only tell you what has worked for us on Leangains and back that up with the available research and advise you accordingly but we aren't telling you that you should be doing this or that. Your choice
08-16-2011, 09:27 AM
08-16-2011, 09:37 AM
85-90% Ground Beef
All Paleo and with tons of calories. There has been a movement away form Cordain's original stance where he lumped saturated fats together with trans fats, which is ludicrous. It took me a bit to break my habit of only lean meats, but, once I added in fattier cuts of flesh, my energy levels returned. As you also know, you can have the occasional feeding of red or sweet potatoes as well.
M.Ed. Ex Phys
08-16-2011, 10:25 PM
08-17-2011, 10:36 AM
I'm going to add red/sweet potatoes once in a while. I was thinking post workout.
Btw, I came across this product today. Any thoughts on it? I'm thinking it could be a good alternative for supercarb.
08-17-2011, 10:37 AM
08-17-2011, 10:47 AM
08-17-2011, 02:39 PM
Is rice aloud on paleo? And isnt quinoa acidic?
Also does protein synthesis happen while fasted? Layne norton says leangains isnt wise bc of this.
Do you guys think it matters if you eat a higher carb or higher fat diet for powerlifting?
Also on leangains the fast breaking meal or post wo meal is the biggest with about 100g protein...this wont turn to glucose?
Thanks lets keep the discussion going
08-17-2011, 02:42 PM
08-17-2011, 04:56 PM
08-17-2011, 05:11 PM
Here's what Cordain's has to say about quinoa:
I believe it is in the same family as spinach and technically not a grain."Quinoa and amaranth are grain-like crops with potential harmful substances namely saponins. Saponins have been demonstrated to increase intestinal permeability which is one of the factors contributing to many autoimmune diseases, as well as irritable bowel syndrome. So, we recommend to avoid quinoa and amaranth, specially if you suffer from an autoimmune disease."
"The only good is knowledge and the only evil is ignorance." - Socrates
08-17-2011, 05:30 PM
Most of the paleo people I know tend to drink whole milk when bulking anyhow, and same with powerlifters on Paleo, but I don't want to introduce milk since I'm lactose intolerant. Yogurt maybe, and kefir.
08-17-2011, 06:19 PM
08-18-2011, 10:59 AM
I'm hooked on greek/natural yogurt with coconut in it, Liberté makes one that's amazing. I don't think I could ever give that up, it's too good.
08-18-2011, 11:03 AM
09-15-2011, 09:31 AM
btw do any of you powerlifters on leangains train fasted? i feel so much stronger when i do
you can lead a man to knowledge, but you cant make him think.
09-15-2011, 09:36 AM
09-15-2011, 12:09 PM
EAA's are a good idea on this diet. I've been trying it out, and sipping EAA's all morning.
I used to train fasted years ago.. not for me. I workout in the evening now.. eating 2 hrs prior and taking 10-15grams of EAA's during and after. Trying to up my EAA's and cut down on protein shakes. Also cutting out BCAA's and replacing them with EAA's and extra glutamine + l-leucine.
09-15-2011, 12:45 PM
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