500 lb raw squat, no belt
- 05-16-2009, 10:06 PM
- 05-16-2009, 10:17 PM
Your doing something right keep up the hard work! With some knee wraps and belt you can def hit a higher max...and that looked way too easy to be your max.
On form: depth was perfect, your ass went up a little early and if that was heavier it may have led you to hit more of a good morning and take away from the squat but it wasnt that bad at all in that squat(i do that way to much and it really ****s with my squat).
Solid lift, IMO you owned that weight.
- 05-16-2009, 10:28 PM
05-16-2009, 10:35 PM
I'm not exactly an expect at judging others form but it looks to me like you're knees and chest are moving forward a bit. I'm not taking away from the weight but you may want to try to stay a little further back in your hips, it will help to keep your knees from moving forward and maybe a little core strength or stretching can help with keeping your chest up.
Either way, that's a sh*t ton of weight and it would count in competition. Good job, people will say that they can squat 500lb, few actually prove it.
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05-16-2009, 10:43 PM
I wasn't attempting a powerlifting style squat. And the back angle is a function of where the bar is placed on the back. I use a relatively low bar position.
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Thanks man, I'm pretty happy with it for now.
05-17-2009, 02:22 AM
Is that with knee wraps it looks like? I've never used knee wraps, so I don't know how much they help, but that looked way easy. I squat 500 at 205 and you made it look way easier than me. I also got 4 years on you. Good work. Depth looked good for sure.
05-17-2009, 03:25 AM
Pretty solid. As i'm sure your aware, they wont let you bounce out of the bottom in competition.
05-17-2009, 06:15 AM
moved it pretty easily congrats.
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05-17-2009, 12:55 PM
Dang! Nice work man. PROPS to ya.
Some humble thoughts.
I cannot squat 500, so who am I to give advice but I thought I'd share one thing only especiallly since you have no one spotting ya. Again, mad props..........
You are too far from the rack IMHO. You look like you could have easily fallen backwards especially when you walked backwards . there was one step you took where I was like "oh snap, he's going down LOL".
Good work man!
05-17-2009, 01:19 PM
05-17-2009, 01:31 PM
Hell of a squat man, congrats, it seemed very easy for you. I would agree not to get so far back but other than that, 565 will be coming quick for you
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05-17-2009, 04:14 PM
Damn bro! Hell of a squat! I too train with no belt every other week when I squat. I feel it really helps build core strength and then when you do throw a belt on, you can do alot more weight. Great squat man...keep it up you got 565 in you for sure!
05-17-2009, 04:16 PM
Nicely done man - only issue was already mentioned - and that is how far back you went from the rack. Good luck with the 565 - since you have several weeks of training left and made 500 look like you could've gotten another 20 easily, you should reach it.
05-17-2009, 06:23 PM
Your on the track to hit whatever you want too, as you obviously have great power. I would just suggest you get someone affiliated with whatever organization you want to lift with to look at your form.
*And to pre-empt anyone who going to make a comment, no I can't hit 500. I'm working with 425, thanks.
05-17-2009, 06:34 PM
If you know of somewhere where that SQ would be turned down due to a bounce, let us know where that is so we can make sure and never lift there.
05-17-2009, 06:40 PM
The only comps I am willing to enter are directed lift. Keeps every equal.
I think you'll find with the prevalence of powerlifting competitions across the country comes a readiness to employ judges with less experience and/or improper affiliation with the lifters.
05-17-2009, 06:45 PM
05-17-2009, 07:03 PM
no issues here.
tips, looks like your doing xtremely well........keep doing what your doing.
Only a handful of people are going to be able to do that squat.....One of which I am not.
05-17-2009, 07:40 PM
05-17-2009, 07:57 PM
the squat you are referring to in that video is a good example of a low bar "powerlifting style" squat. He actually does a good job with it since it is walked out. The posters above example is a high bar olympic style squat. their are many high bar olympic squatters in the IPF. Since you really don't know the difference and don't know that olympic squatting does not result in red lights you probably don't need to be telling someone that his lifts are going to be red lighted. You still have not answered where that squat would be red lighted. I have seen quite a few powerlifting comps and competed in about a half dozen more, and that squat is great.
05-17-2009, 08:10 PM
I guess what I meant was, they shouldn't pass it and any good judge will force you to control the weight.
Alot of lifts get passed, that doesnt mean they were legit.
- Jmaths- I am in no way saying your not strong, I was just trying to be constructive. I still stand by finding a comp that forces control, if not I'll bet in 5 yrs time you'll be icing your knees everynight like a guy I train with.
05-17-2009, 08:36 PM
05-17-2009, 08:39 PM
There is no rule that says what you are claiming. As long as depth is reached, bouncing is allowed.
And I really don't care how much you squat...what you're saying is pure opinion, and has no base in reality.
05-18-2009, 12:39 AM
All in all it is a solid lift bro. Good job. 500lbs is a good amount of weight.
05-18-2009, 09:29 AM
That was a great squat jmaths...keep up the hard work....565 will go very soon
As far as the "bouncing" is concerned, I look at it as "exploding" out of the hole with a near limit weight....I've competed in over 20 meets, with 4 of them being National meets and that lift is solid....good luck in the future
05-18-2009, 10:10 AM
What I need to do is get some tips on squats to end up hitting numbers like that
Someone explain a little more to the differences between the oly and PL type of squats and the pros cons of them so I don't have to exhaust myself in searching google :P
05-18-2009, 10:18 AM
APF/WPC just has rule against double bouncing; JMs squat was solid, nice job....
05-18-2009, 12:52 PM
great job bud.
psu powerlifting all the way
SFW and GFH
05-18-2009, 01:06 PM
I wasn't expecting you to go that deep
My only comments are, I think you could have handled a bit more. The stability you showed when you unracked the weight was the way I look unrackin 135lbs, and your concentric effort "looked" like 80%-85% effort (and your calves looked huge in the video, so I can only assume your quads are 4x4's wheels).
Just to be a technical weenie about it because it's in my vocation, but you are drawing a bit of stretch shortening assist by how fast you go from the eccentric, immediately into the concentric (down-up), nonetheless, it was extremely impressive how deep you actually went down with that much weight
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05-18-2009, 01:35 PM
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05-18-2009, 04:08 PM
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05-18-2009, 04:11 PM
but you might want to get a couple of side spotters or at least a solid rear spotter when you're trying this kind of weight.
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05-18-2009, 04:43 PM
Got two reds for depth. You be the judge, I think I got it.
So do you think I should go for something like 585 instead? I mean, who knows where I will be 5 months from now.
I'm sure you've seen Mike Tuchscherer on youtube, he does everything without spotters, like 900+ squats, 700+ benches, etc. Really crazy stuff. Not saying I wanna do that, but I think I remember him saying something like if he can do all this stuff in training without spotters then when he actually does in comp, he's that much better off.
05-19-2009, 01:14 PM
You were well beyond parallel, I don't know what the hell they were looking for.
I don't know how technical they are with the eccentric/concentric phase of squats, but I know with bench presses, they like to see a pause at the bottom to ensure the elimination of any bounce assist. I don't know how they could have penalized your depth, the only thing I could anally critique is a faster then desired ascension. The speed at which you ascend immediately after your descent activates the stretch shortening cycle (that's a small window where the muscle behaves like a rubber band and the eccentric load assists in the concentric action) and I don't know if that's something they take into account.
Your depth is ridiculous, but again, if I were to be incredibly anal, then I would say your immediate ascent following your descent, without a pause, is all I can think of Cause it looked legit to me.
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