APF/WPC just has rule against double bouncing; JMs squat was solid, nice job....

great job bud.
psu powerlifting all the way

I wasn't expecting you to go that deep

My only comments are, I think you could have handled a bit more. The stability you showed when you unracked the weight was the way I look unrackin 135lbs, and your concentric effort "looked" like 80%-85% effort (and your calves looked huge in the video, so I can only assume your quads are 4x4's wheels).

Just to be a technical weenie about it because it's in my vocation, but you are drawing a bit of stretch shortening assist by how fast you go from the eccentric, immediately into the concentric (down-up), nonetheless, it was extremely impressive how deep you actually went down with that much weight

Originally Posted by Inarius

great job bud.
psu powerlifting all the way

hey Tyler, thanks!

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

I wasn't expecting you to go that deep

My only comments are, I think you could have handled a bit more. The stability you showed when you unracked the weight was the way I look unrackin 135lbs, and your concentric effort "looked" like 80%-85% effort (and your calves looked huge in the video, so I can only assume your quads are 4x4's wheels).

Just to be a technical weenie about it because it's in my vocation, but you are drawing a bit of stretch shortening assist by how fast you go from the eccentric, immediately into the concentric (down-up), nonetheless, it was extremely impressive how deep you actually went down with that much weight

Thanks, I think 565 is a reasonable goal given what you said.

Originally Posted by Jmaths

hey Tyler, thanks!


Thanks, I think 565 is a reasonable goal given what you said.

Very reasonable, I was already thinking the 550+ range before you mentioned that.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

Very reasonable, I was already thinking the 550+ range before you mentioned that.

I've got around 5 months to prepare, as well.

Originally Posted by Jmaths

I've got around 5 months to prepare, as well.

5 months is a long time, you could be close to 600lbs by then. Adding +(-)100lbs to your max is outrageous in 5 months, so that's not what I'm implying, but I don't think 500lbs was your true max to begin with. I think your true max might already be around 550lbs (judging by your stability and speed).

but you might want to get a couple of side spotters or at least a solid rear spotter when you're trying this kind of weight.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

5 months is a long time, you could be close to 600lbs by then. Adding +(-)100lbs to your max is outrageous in 5 months, so that's not what I'm implying, but I don't think 500lbs was your true max to begin with. I think your true max might already be around 550lbs (judging by your stability and speed).

If I could get 600 lbs that would be ridiculous...I just attempted 600 with single ply suit and knee wraps less than 2 months ago:

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Got two reds for depth. You be the judge, I think I got it.

So do you think I should go for something like 585 instead? I mean, who knows where I will be 5 months from now.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

but you might want to get a couple of side spotters or at least a solid rear spotter when you're trying this kind of weight.

That's probably a good idea...but I feel like it helps with my confidence and mental ability to handle the weight when I don't use spotters whenever possible.

I'm sure you've seen Mike Tuchscherer on youtube, he does everything without spotters, like 900+ squats, 700+ benches, etc. Really crazy stuff. Not saying I wanna do that, but I think I remember him saying something like if he can do all this stuff in training without spotters then when he actually does in comp, he's that much better off.

You were well beyond parallel, I don't know what the hell they were looking for.

I don't know how technical they are with the eccentric/concentric phase of squats, but I know with bench presses, they like to see a pause at the bottom to ensure the elimination of any bounce assist. I don't know how they could have penalized your depth, the only thing I could anally critique is a faster then desired ascension. The speed at which you ascend immediately after your descent activates the stretch shortening cycle (that's a small window where the muscle behaves like a rubber band and the eccentric load assists in the concentric action) and I don't know if that's something they take into account.

Your depth is ridiculous, but again, if I were to be incredibly anal, then I would say your immediate ascent following your descent, without a pause, is all I can think of Cause it looked legit to me.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

You were well beyond parallel, I don't know what the hell they were looking for.

I don't know how technical they are with the eccentric/concentric phase of squats, but I know with bench presses, they like to see a pause at the bottom to ensure the elimination of any bounce assist. I don't know how they could have penalized your depth, the only thing I could anally critique is a faster then desired ascension. The speed at which you ascend immediately after your descent activates the stretch shortening cycle (that's a small window where the muscle behaves like a rubber band and the eccentric load assists in the concentric action) and I don't know if that's something they take into account.

Your depth is ridiculous, but again, if I were to be incredibly anal, then I would say your immediate ascent following your descent, without a pause, is all I can think of Cause it looked legit to me.

A pause is not necessary for squatting. As long as the lifter reaches proper depth, and after initiating the concentric portion of the lift the bar does not lower, there is no problem. Well, there are small things like taking a step after you complete the lift, or racking it before the command, or things like that.

But apparently I was red-lighted for depth in this case.

And the stretch reflex is incredibly useful.

Originally Posted by Jmaths

A pause is not necessary for squatting. As long as the lifter reaches proper depth, and after initiating the concentric portion of the lift the bar does not lower, there is no problem. Well, there are small things like taking a step after you complete the lift, or racking it before the command, or things like that.

But apparently I was red-lighted for depth in this case.

And the stretch reflex is incredibly useful.

In that case, I have no clue why they red flagged you.

I thought you were @$$ to grass. If you had an allergy to grass and they had a patch of grass behind you when you performed those squats, you'd have butt hives.

Originally Posted by VolcomX311

In that case, I have no clue why they red flagged you.

I thought you were @$$ to grass. If you had an allergy to grass and they had a patch of grass behind you when you performed those squats, you'd have butt hives.

LOL

The shot isn't the best because there's a spotter in the way, but I think I got solid depth. I compared it to the depth I hit on my other two attempts and it was really no different. I think it was just a bad call.

No worries. I'll redeem myself next year.

nice squat. Saw you lifting at rec the other day, so you must be up here for the summer too?

It's steve btw.

Originally Posted by Coolio10

nice squat. Saw you lifting at rec the other day, so you must be up here for the summer too?

It's steve btw.

Hey Steve, I saw you too, I didn't wanna disturb you or anything while you were lifting. Yea I am here taking summer classes for 6 weeks.

I met some guy at the White Building (I forget his name of course), the one who does MMA and has a really good bench. He said you did a 20 rep squat with 365 or some crazy ****.

Originally Posted by Jmaths

Hey Steve, I saw you too, I didn't wanna disturb you or anything while you were lifting. Yea I am here taking summer classes for 6 weeks.

I met some guy at the White Building (I forget his name of course), the one who does MMA and has a really good bench. He said you did a 20 rep squat with 365 or some crazy ****.

Looking swole man I almost didn't recognize ya. 365x20 olympic was 10 weeks ago at 235 now I'm down to 210 for sprinting so I don't think I'm at that level now, although I did hit 455x5 off a parallel box in rec yesterday so idk.

Ill look out for you in Rec man.

Originally Posted by Coolio10

Looking swole man I almost didn't recognize ya. 365x20 olympic was 10 weeks ago at 235 now I'm down to 210 for sprinting so I don't think I'm at that level now, although I did hit 455x5 off a parallel box in rec yesterday so idk.

Ill look out for you in Rec man.

Are you doing any sports or anything? Are you a sprinter now?

Originally Posted by Jayhawkk

What I need to do is get some tips on squats to end up hitting numbers like that
Someone explain a little more to the differences between the oly and PL type of squats and the pros cons of them so I don't have to exhaust myself in searching google :P

OP- congrats on the big squat!

The powerlifting style(low-bar) back squat uses a wider stance, more back angle, lower bar placement, less depth just b/c of the geometry, and recruits the hamstrings more. An oly squat has a narrower stance, higher placement, more vertical back angle, more recruitment of the quads, and generally more depth. Most (arguable) oly lifters prefer it b/c in the clean and snatch it is optimal to keep a straight back when taking the bar from the floor therefore requiring the lifter to be quad dominant to keep the angle. Generally the oly (high bar) squat comes more naturally and doesn't require much time to learn the proper form. The low-bar squat does usually allow for more weight to be lifted, but does not carry over to athletics as much as the high-bar squat (again, arguable). A lot of people, myelf including on max PR attempts, end up doing a combo of the two! The bar is placed high, medium stance, good depth, but when they start to come up they end up leaning over (recruiting more hammy's) and almost good-morning it!

Originally Posted by Jmaths

Are you doing any sports or anything? Are you a sprinter now?

running unattached for the summer, well see how it goes from there...if it doesnt work out, I'll make a return to power lifting

Originally Posted by Coolio10

running unattached for the summer, well see how it goes from there...if it doesnt work out, I'll make a return to power lifting

Unattached?

Originally Posted by Jmaths

Unattached?

yea, basically just not part of a team or club, although i did request to join a club team in jersey just so i can run at the club nationals in july lol.

Originally Posted by Coolio10

yea, basically just not part of a team or club, although i did request to join a club team in jersey just so i can run at the club nationals in july lol.

So is it kinda like a powerlifting team, where everyone has their individual efforts but it adds up to a collective team score as well?

Originally Posted by Jmaths

So is it kinda like a powerlifting team, where everyone has their individual efforts but it adds up to a collective team score as well?

Yea. sucks everything is closed this weekend and Monday.

Originally Posted by Coolio10

Yea. sucks everything is closed this weekend and Monday.

wtf, the gyms are even closed on monday too? that's bull****...

do you know of any other weight rooms/gyms in the area?

Your sick, that was sick, nice job!

Originally Posted by Jmaths

wtf, the gyms are even closed on monday too? that's bull****...

do you know of any other weight rooms/gyms in the area?

google lionheart fitness, its downtown behind mcdonalds

you can use the free workout coupon, still have to find out if their gonna be open tomorrow...

Originally Posted by Coolio10

google lionheart fitness, its downtown behind mcdonalds

you can use the free workout coupon, still have to find out if their gonna be open tomorrow...

I called them and they said they are open until noon. oh well, it's better than nothing i guess.

Originally Posted by Jmaths

I called them and they said they are open until noon. oh well, it's better than nothing i guess.

ill be there around 10-1030

I have a goal to someday see 400 lbs of a squat...But my frame will never support a 500 lb squat, friggin nice Bro. You make gravity look bad.

Originally Posted by Coolio10

ill be there around 10-1030

cool I might see you there

Originally Posted by Zero V

I have a goal to someday see 400 lbs of a squat...But my frame will never support a 500 lb squat, friggin nice Bro. You make gravity look bad.

Well you gotta be more positive than that...if you think your frame won't handle a certain weight then it won't. But thanks.