Trenadrol/Epistane PCT

[gibsonj4]

I'm planning my next cycle of Trenadrol Stacked with Epistane. I purchased AE's Advanced PCT which is basically a 6-bromo AI. Now, I doubt this is enough for my PCT for a Trenadrol/Epi stack. I've done a search but haven't found any exact cycle PCT's. Should I do Nolvadex 40/40/20/20 or add something to the AE's Advanced PCT. Mind, this cycle is 7-8 weeks from now just getting everything I need now so the cycle is set. As always, thanks for the help!

 

[gibsonj4]

Bump

 

[Rob Awesome]

Hey OP -

I would advise a SERM for a Tren/Epi cycle. I would prefer Torem over Tamox, personally, but whatever you utilize is up to you. To add to the PCT... a Liver Supporter/Detox mechanism. Liver Longer & Cycle Support (by Anabolic Innovations) OR Life Support, which is Cycle Support, but half the dose encapsulated - are popular and widely used. Either or.

Additionally, I'd look into a Natural Test Booster, such as POST Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations.

Look into a Hormonal regulator, Indole-3-Carbinol by NOW foods (I3C) & a Cortisol Blocker such as Lean Xtreme (Optional).

I'd also consider an Aromatase Inhibitor your second week into PCT - 6-OXO is good.

If you go Tamox (Nolva) - 40/40/20/20

If you go Toremifene - 120-90 (Day 1 & 2 @ 120 mg)/90/60/30

Good luck OP!

 

[alan1973]

Hey OP -

I would advise a SERM for a Tren/Epi cycle. I would prefer Torem over Tamox, personally, but whatever you utilize is up to you. To add to the PCT... a Liver Supporter/Detox mechanism. Liver Longer & Cycle Support (by Anabolic Innovations) OR Life Support, which is Cycle Support, but half the dose encapsulated - are popular and widely used. Either or.

Additionally, I'd look into a Natural Test Booster, such as POST Cycle Support by Anabolic Innovations.

Look into a Hormonal regulator, Indole-3-Carbinol by NOW foods (I3C) & a Cortisol Blocker such as Lean Xtreme (Optional).

I'd also consider an Aromatase Inhibitor your second week into PCT - 6-OXO is good.

If you go Tamox (Nolva) - 40/40/20/20

If you go Toremifene - 120-90 (Day 1 & 2 @ 120 mg)/90/60/30

Good luck OP!

while 6-oxo has promise, I would avoid wannabe PCTs out there. the only thing with life cycle support I can see is nothing but something to help your prostate (like saw palmetto)
something to help your cholesterol , something to help inflammation and something that is like a wanna be OTC viagra. do your research on these products or just get the real stuff Clomid and Nolva. and 3 weeks should be fine
Clomid week 1 100mg/day
week 2 50/mg
week 3 50 mg

Nolva
week 1 40mg/day
wk 2 30mg
wk 3 20mg

no need to run 4 weeks, I know professional BB'ers that stick to this. helps them keep time off shorter (well, except for those that are bridging with low dose test)
Sorry Rob, haven't seen anything on the label that even sounds like a decent PCT. Please tell me where I am wrong and point me to the studies that would tell me otherwise.
thanks.

 

[gibsonj4]

Thanks for the help guys. I do have at lkeast 3 weeks of 6-oxo in my cabinet. I think I will look into Clomid or Nolva. Like I said, my cycle is whenever I wanna do it within the next 3-4 months so I'm just getting all ,my support supps and PCT in place before I even think about starting the cycle. I have looked into cycle support and will prolly run that during my cycle.

Also, Rob what is OP? lol

 

[gibsonj4]

Also, any thoughts on the dosing of each (trenadrol/epistane) for the cycle?

PCT would be:

Nolva 40/40/20/20
Liver Longer
Creatine
6-oxo starting the second week of PCT
Have Vitex on hand for prolactin sides.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

OP, Original Poster- YOU!

I was thinking of planning a TD/EPI stack as well.

I would do 60 mg TD ED and 30mg EPI ED.

what was your cycle of trenadrol like? you did a 4 weeker correct?
what were your gains?
PCT?
Final review?
Dosages?
Sides?

Link?

 

[gibsonj4]

OP, Original Poster- YOU!

I was thinking of planning a TD/EPI stack as well.

I would do 60 mg TD ED and 30mg EPI ED.

what was your cycle of trenadrol like? you did a 4 weeker correct?
what were your gains?
PCT?
Final review?
Dosages?
Sides?

Link?

hey man thanks for the interest. Here is the link to my cycle: http://anabolicminds.com/forum/cycle-info/97262-4-week-trenadrol-2.html


Gains: I'm up 7.4lbs in three weeks and strength has goone up significantly.
PCT: Advanced PCT (3caps:AI) by AX, GreenMag (Creatine), Vitex on hand for prolactin sides, Lean Extreme (from a friend) and I have a source for a SERM in case I need it.
Dosing:30/60/60/90
Sides: No real sides to report maybe a slight case of lethargy sometimes.
Final review will be forthcoming!

I also have 6-oxo and Novedex XT on hand if I really need it but I'm sure the Anabolic Extreme PCT will be sufficient.

 

[mdtech123]

Guys, i just started my tren/epi 6 wk bridge starting with tren @90, and it pretty hash, im 7 days in and feeling much stronger already but dealing with random bouts of lathargy. How far in are u guys and what are ur feeling so far?

 

[Kristofer68SS]

no prob, i will be on the look out for your TD/EPI log....hint hint........lol

 

[Kristofer68SS]

Guys, i just started my tren/epi 6 wk bridge starting with tren @90, and it pretty hash, im 7 days in and feeling much stronger already but dealing with random bouts of lathargy. How far in are u guys and what are ur feeling so far?

are you dosing trenX(19-nors,estra's) or trenadrol? two different compounds..........

could you break down your dosing scheme and support suppls.................i highly recommend cycle support during and pcs after for something like this.......probably more for PCT as well...........

sorry for the hijack op,,,,,,,, maybe there will be some info for your future stack....

 

[mdtech123]

wks 1-4 Trenx 90/90/90/90
wks 3-6 Epidrol 20/30/30/40

Pct - no serm
-wks 1-4 ALRI Restore
-wks 3-6 6oxo
-Liver supps
-fish oils

 

[Kristofer68SS]

wks 1-4 Trenx 90/90/90/90
wks 3-6 Epidrol 20/30/30/40

Pct - no serm
-wks 1-4 ALRI Restore
-wks 3-6 6oxo
-Liver supps
-fish oils

You should see some awesome strength gains, 5-10 pounds and drop BF,,,,,,do you have a log going? hint hint.....

i recommend cycle support during your cycle, that will help with BP for sure.. your BP will go up on these products.......your pct dont look too bad, some will gripe and say its not enough.


I like this as a pct/nha....

PCS
Activate Xtreme
Lean xtreme
ZMA

this is a good pct and a great NHA stack.........speaking from experience.........i am on day 14 and i really like it....... strength up, sleep well, good pumps, overall well being....

I am sold on the above listed products as a stand alone(NHA) or pct for PH/PS stacks(.(mild-moderate)

 

[gibsonj4]

wks 1-4 Trenx 90/90/90/90
wks 3-6 Epidrol 20/30/30/40

Pct - no serm
-wks 1-4 ALRI Restore
-wks 3-6 6oxo
-Liver supps
-fish oils

no prob, i will be on the look out for your TD/EPI log....hint hint........lol

Haha no prob man I will def keep a log. It will prolly start in the fall so I can get all my support supps and Nolva in hand before.

I would add Creatine in for ur PCT. Personally, I would do a SERM or have one on hand just in case.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

i personally am not a big fan of research chems for most OTC designers,,,,,,,,,, most..........not all.

I believe there are alternative methods to kickstart test and control Estrogen without using those chems........

this is just my opinion, many will differ.

Some pct needs to be in place, he has that. Does it need work, possibly. Without bloodtests, who knows.

 

[mdtech123]

I've done alotta stupid S*** in the past with no pct's and had no sides, so im a little hesitant on ordering anything illegal over the internet ie serms. Im going to throw in PCS and zma, and wish for the best. I start a log soon.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

I've done alotta stupid S*** in the past with no pct's and had no sides, so im a little hesitant on ordering anything illegal over the internet ie serms. Im going to throw in PCS and zma, and wish for the best. I start a log soon.

your not stacking Superdrol and Phera Plex.......Your stack actually interests me, along with the OP's proposed future stack.

the pcs and zma will do wonders...i think you will be fine......watch the blood pressure during the cycle, seriously.

give me that link to the log bro. i want to subscribe........

 

[Kristofer68SS]

Haha no prob man I will def keep a log. It will prolly start in the fall so I can get all my support supps and Nolva in hand before.

Personally, I would do a SERM or have one on hand just in case.

I do agree with you on that point.

However,this is a matter of personal choice. i do always have one or more on hand as well. I am sitting on L-Tor right now, passed my Clomid and Liquidex onto a bro......Probably gonna grab some more Clo for backup in the next payday or two.

 

[mdtech123]

you have no problems just ordering that stuff online?

 

[Kristofer68SS]

knocks on wood

nah, my only concern is the quality of the product. that goes with anything though......

most the serms i buy i are in suspension(liquid), many have questioned the intregrity of this method.

they do seem to work though. i pinned a test E cycle last year, i did clomid and liquidex, my boys were back with the quickness................so were the acne and the emotions as well

research chems have there places, i dont believe they are always needed, ............ many will not agree. I am not stating a pct is not needed, i am stating research chems are not always needed.

Nolva has been linked to progestin induced gyno. AR-R had a write up about nolva and its potential problems with progestins(injectable tren and deca). Thats one of the biggest reasons i dont preach serms for OTC designers. Alot of the orals are progestin based.

These are my opinions, only bloodwork will tell a person which pct protocol will work and is working.

 

[gibsonj4]

Guys, i just started my tren/epi 6 wk bridge starting with tren @90, and it pretty hash, im 7 days in and feeling much stronger already but dealing with random bouts of lathargy. How far in are u guys and what are ur feeling so far?

I do get bouts of lethargy but mainly u may getting them hardcore because u started at 90mg which i would have at least started with 60mg if not 30mg ur first week. Trenadrol is pretty potent for what it is. I haven't decided how I will dose my cycle. I'm considering doing a bridge like you did.

I thought trenx was dosed in 2 or 3mg doses? Maybe this is the old dosing?

 

[Kristofer68SS]

I do get bouts of lethargy but mainly u may getting them hardcore because u started at 90mg which i would have at least started with 60mg if not 30mg ur first week. Trenadrol is pretty potent for what it is. I haven't decided how I will dose my cycle. I'm considering doing a bridge like you did.

I thought trenx was dosed in 2 or 3mg doses? Maybe this is the old dosing?

TrenX is dosed 25mg to 35mg each cap........the sweet spot is around 75mg-90mg ED for a male around 200 pounds.

Trenadrol looks to be around 60mg-90mg for the same male.....

these are standalone doses, not stacking doses.

 

[mdtech123]

Yea i realize its high but fcuk it ive done alotta sh** before(injectables) with almost no bad sides, i just cant wait tillnext week when trenx gets his friend epi into the party. But as for now after 8 days im just getting a massive placebo effect i think, maybe a little more real strength.

 

[Kristofer68SS]

Yea i realize its high but fcuk it ive done alotta sh** before(injectables) with almost no bad sides, i just cant wait tillnext week when trenx gets his friend epi into the party. But as for now after 8 days im just getting a massive placebo effect i think, maybe a little more real strength.

8 days in,,,,,,,,,,its not placebo. lol

 

[gibsonj4]

haha def not placebo!!!!

 

[mdtech123]

Yea i realized that yesterday after work when i went to do my normal heavy set of military dumbell presses (about 150x5) and i hit 12 reps, so i threw up 170x5, and today is legs, so we'll see.

 

[gibsonj4]

Yea i realized that yesterday after work when i went to do my normal heavy set of military dumbell presses (about 150x5) and i hit 12 reps, so i threw up 170x5, and today is legs, so we'll see.

Holty $hit! 150lbs per hand on ur shoulder presses for 12 reps?? Big Ron does 160's for 10. You don't mean barbell military presses do u?

 

[mdtech123]

Ha ha, 75lb dumbells x 2 =150, i dont use barbells, i feel unsafe with no spot.

 

[Brolic]

Have Vitex on hand for prolactin sides.

explain?

 

[gibsonj4]

Chaste berry (Vitex) creates a shift in the ratio of estrogen to progesterone, in favor of progesterone. The ability of chaste tree berry to raise progesterone levels in the body is an indirect effect by changing the hormonal ratio. By lowering estrogen, the chance of prolactin sides is less.