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View Poll Results: Best way to take milk thistle so not to hinder gains?
Pre-load? 2 15.38%
Take while on cycle? 5 38.46%
Take while off cycle? 3 23.08%
Take on off days while on cycle? 2 15.38%
Dont take at all? 1 7.69%
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Old 07-03-2008, 03:27 AM   #1
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Milk Thistle

When to take Milk Thistle?????????

To pre-load?

To be taken on cycle?

To be taken off cycle?

To be taken on off days while on cycle?

Or not at all?
 



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on an oral cycle milk thistle should be started 2 weeks before the cycle and run through PCT.

from what I understand you have to take milk thistle for a month to see the benefits of it...that's why you start it before your cycle.

also check out cycle support...liver support plus it helps with blood pressure and prostate.
 



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Old 07-03-2008, 03:47 AM   #3
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What about the the potential loss of gains due to milk thistle?
 



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don't take the MT within 6 hours of your methylated compounds. since you should take those products earlier in the day anyways you should be able to take MT just before bed.

also, I'd rather sacrifice a little bit of gains to keep my liver from being pickled!
 



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Yeah I agree with I normally take MT be bed, and you only get one body so we might as well look after it.

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This discussion has come up multiple times and I've had guys tell me that they saw no difference between cycles when using milk thistle and not using milk thistle.

I'd prefer to err on the side of caution anyway, so I say take milk thistle at during cycle.
 
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What sort of dosages are people using? I take 1-2g of 80% powder on my off days.
 
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Cycle Support was created to contain optimal dosages and it utilizes Silymarin (milk thistle extract) at 1000mg per suggested daily intake. You should be fine with 1g per day.
 
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Taking it on cycle is the most important. I don't really believe in the old "load up" theory. I do agree however with Delsorob about not taking it within close proximity to your cycle dosage. 4 hours should be enough time in between.
 
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Some things do need to be pre-loaded, but I don't believe it's necessary for milk thistle.
 

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Some things do need to pre-loaded, but I don't believe it's necessary for milk thistle.
Agreed - Pre-loading NAC would definitely be beneficial overall.
 



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Hawthorne berry requires pre-loading as well. That's why suggest pre-loading Cycle Support.
 
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Hawthorne berry requires pre-loading as well. That's why suggest pre-loading Cycle Support.
I'm doing that as we speak.

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...does that mean another log???
 
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