Halo/Epi 6 weeker,Serm inverse to ATD, PCT advice needed!

  1. Halo/Epi 6 weeker,Serm inverse to ATD, PCT advice needed!

    I will be coming off of a 6wks halo into epi bridge soon. I did the following protocol:

    1-4 wk 50mg Halo ed
    2-6 wk Epi (20, 30, 30, 40) ed

    As posted in other threads already I had great results. Gained 20 lbs so far with minimal sides. I do not feel shutdown or supressed at all.

    I got all my PCT supps ready but I am unsure on how to make the best of it. I was thinking about running Nolva inverse to Inhibit-e:

    1 wk Nolva (40mg) + 1 cab Inhibit-e ed
    2 wk Nolva (30mg) + 2 cabs Inhibit-e ed
    3 wk Nolva (20mg) + 3 cabs Inhibit-e ed
    4 wk Nolva (10mg) + 3 cabs Inhibit-e ed

    I also have IBE X-Lean for cortisol control + Creatin (CEE) + Maca + Fenu + fishoil + Milk Thistle + NAC + Muti Vitamins + etc.

    Well basically I am getting confused by reading some PCT protocols from other users starting the ATD at 3 cabs and tappering down at the end of PCT.

    I highly appreciate your input + advice here.



  2. "Discussion on running SERM inverse to ATD

    Estrogen only "rebounds" based on the mechanism of suppression. SERM, for example, only masks estrogen expression by occupying receptors but estrogen production is left unchecked and actually increases as testosterone levels increase. AI's like letro inhibit inducible enzymes and just like a leaky faucet, they body will eventually try to balance the equation with increased aromatase activity. Steroidal AI's like Teslac, Exemestane, and ReboundXT will not result in 'rebound' phenomena because the inhibition is non-competitive and irreversible. They act as false substrates, so aromatase is still happy to act on them (instead of androstenedione) and the body keeps no record of an imbalance. There is no leaky faucet. In fact, after prolonged use, steroidal AI's often produce a protracted anti-e benefit even after being discontinued. This is why I suggest an inverse taper with SERM and RXT for PCT with an abrupt stoppage of RXT at the end. As the SERM elevates androgen/estrogen production, the AI dose is increased to compensate while the SERM is phased out. It works quite well to use this approach and rebound is not encountered. Adding LX and/or DHEA also really makes for a killer PCT in this scheme. This is a typical example of my PCT:

    wk1: Clomid 150mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 75mg/d
    wk2: Clomid 100mg/d, RXT 25mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 50mg/d
    wk3: Nolva 60mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 200mg/d, LX 25mg/d
    wk4: Nolva 40mg/d, RXT 50mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
    wk5: Nolva 20mg/d, RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d
    wk6: RXT 75mg/d, DHEA 100mg/d"

    RXT = Rebound XT = ATD

    funny enough, I just used this exact quote on another thread here about 2 minutes ago
    Iron Legion Rep

  3. Thanks man. I also read the whole running serm inverse thread today.
    So that means I should be fine with my PCT, right? The first posts on this were in 2005 and I just wanted to double check if this is still up2date.

    Would you guys start x-lean at the beginning of PCT already or wait until end of 2nd wk?



  4. yeah, you should be fine. I would also consider tapering the ATD down after you drop the SERM...
    Iron Legion Rep

  5. i have comments,

  6. i would add some CS

  7. No cylce support?

  8. Quote Originally Posted by Brolic View Post
    No cylce support?
    Thanks for your input.
    I don't have the product CS but I do have a lot of the supps as standalone supps. I guess I should be fine on this.

    I am based in Germany and DHEA is no OTC supp. I am feeling pretty shutdown and libido is almost non existing. I am on day 5 of my PCT (40mg Nolva). From your experience what else could I add to restore libido faster? I already have Zinc, Fenu and Maca. Trib didn't do anything for me in the past.


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