[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

did these people drink alcohol while on SD? what were their doses? what did their past steroid use consist of? what was their age? What was their body weight in relation to dosages? how much water did they intake while on? Did they consume enough carbs while on? how much sleep did they get? Did they happen to be taking ANY other vitamins and/medications while on SD? Did they have bloodwork prior, during and after superdrol to validate this "damage", if so do you have that documentation readily available for viewing? ad nausem............... see where i am going?????

I dont take SD lightly, but i want and need information with valid data for statements like the above.

I will extend those questions and requests to bassgod272 as well.

I believe T-B had his liver nearly destroyed from Superdrol alone without using extreme doses, no drinking on cycle, etc. No other PH/PS were used either.

[Ziquor]

Here's another I seen a while back. There was a few interesting cases when Superdrol's popularity was peaked a couple of years ago.

superdrol jaundice.pdf

[Trauma1]

I never read that specific article z, nice find. Everything from his clinical presentation to lab/diagnostic results was very supportive of his hepatic/biliary cholestasis diagnosis. Not to mention his fairly significant azotemia/borderline renal(kidney) failure.

Now - Was this guy truly a good historian and truthfull when denying behaviors such drinking alcohol or taking other medicinal drugs while taking the superdrol? There is no way to be completely certain for sure, but i noticed a few very important diagnostic blood tests were omitted from this article

There was no posting of blood and urine drug screens, etoh(alcohol) level, acetaminophen(tylenol) level, and salicylate level. If someone presented to any E.R. with his general complaints, he would have had the standard overdose protocol implimented right from the beginning. The next course of action would have depended upon results from blood tests and diagnostic tests(Ultra Sound and CT Scan).

They did rule out some of the more significant systemic disease causes such as Hepatitis: A,B,C, and HIV, however there still could have been many other causes including an auto-immune hepatitis.

It was a good read, but being in the medical profession and reading it strictly as an outsider, i can tell you that key diagnostic blood tests seem to have been omitted from the article. Why? I have no idea.

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by Trauma1

I never read that specific article z, nice find. Everything from his clinical presentation to lab/diagnostic results was very supportive of his hepatic/biliary cholestasis diagnosis. Not to mention his fairly significant azotemia/borderline renal(kidney) failure.

Now - Was this guy truly a good historian and truthfull when denying behaviors such drinking alcohol or taking other medicinal drugs while taking the superdrol? There is no way to be completely certain for sure, but i noticed a few very important diagnostic blood tests were omitted from this article

There was no posting of blood and urine drug screens, etoh(alcohol) level, acetaminophen(tylenol) level, and salicylate level. If someone presented to any E.R. with his general complaints, he would have had the standard overdose protocol implimented right from the beginning. The next course of action would have depended upon results from blood tests and diagnostic tests(Ultra Sound and CT Scan).

They did rule out some of the more significant systemic disease causes such as Hepatitis: A,B,C, and HIV, however there still could have been many other causes including an auto-immune hepatitis.

It was a good read, but being in the medical profession and reading it strictly as an outsider, i can tell you that key diagnostic blood tests seem to have been omitted from the article. Why? I have no idea.

Excellent points J. Good to have your 'professional opinion' I agree, when I was reading through it I considered how many 'what ifs' there could have been. It's amazing to me how extreme people think of certain PS's, especially with Superdrol/clones. Some demonize it as poseinous snake oil, yet others feel it's a mild anabolic requiring little to no PCT.

But one thing I hope people realize from that medical report is how important it is to get blood work before/after any cycle, especially before. I'm sure in your field you can attest to the fact that so many people, regardless of how young & healthy one is/feels - can have some potentially nastly health threats without ever experiencing any signs or symptoms. Then taking AAS could really bring out some severe issue you never realized you had.

[Trauma1]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

Excellent points J. Good to have your 'professional opinion' I agree, when I was reading through it I considered how many 'what ifs' there could have been. It's amazing to me how extreme people think of certain PS's, especially with Superdrol/clones. Some demonize it as poseinous snake oil, yet others feel it's a mild anabolic requiring little to no PCT.

But one thing I hope people realize from that medical report is how important it is to get blood work before/after any cycle, especially before. I'm sure in your field you can attest to the fact that so many people, regardless of how young & healthy one is/feels - can have some potentially nastly health threats without ever experiencing any signs or symptoms. Then taking AAS could really bring out some severe issue you never realized you had.

Absolutely. Hypertension........One of the most famous of the silent killers.

Many disease states progress fairly insidiously with either asymptomatic or very generalized symptamology. Regular physicals and blood work are VERY important.