[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

Vitex (Chaste Berry) also works very well for this ...

yes, yes it does. i am just unfamiliar with dosing and it's effectiveness as compared to p-5-p(b6) otherwise i would have mentioned that. thanks dman

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by lemuel

I pity you

PLEASE PLEASE do not pity me. i am not the one who ran SD without hawthorne bery, prostate support, liver support, a proper PCT, etc. lol. you need to pity yourself. did you get bloodwork done btw? if so, PLEASE post the values before and after the cycle. i'm quite curious as to what the results were. 40mg SD for more than 4 weeks with no PCT. great recommendation because of you, some newb is now going to get jaundice. please remove yourself from our board. thank you.

[StanChampion]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

doesnt sound to shabby, what is/was your bodyweight for that 20mg dose?

I was 231 @ 5'11" when I was doing 20mg.

[lemuel]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

Yet 20 -25% of the people polled got delayed gyno

Not to mention its toxicity is worse than any otc AAS BY FAR. It's super saturated ANADROL for Gods sake. There's a couple people on AM alone that had reported near liver shutdown who used Superdrol ALONE, without any other chemicals or AAS. And have permanent liver damage. There's a responsible way to cycle and a irresponsible way - to give blind advice that could possibly mess someone up for life is reckless and plain careless.

Not to mention SERMS, which have been used successfully by top pros for years, has MANY purposes besides avoiding gyno. You need something to restart LH and normal test production which SERMS do an excellent job of. Otherwise your test won't magically come back.

Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. There is no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy BPH. 40mg, There is a tendency to bruise more easily. There is a zero estrogen conversion with Superdrol, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound Masteron is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic.

But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.

[lemuel]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

PLEASE PLEASE do not pity me. i am not the one who ran SD without hawthorne bery, prostate support, liver support, a proper PCT, etc. lol. you need to pity yourself. did you get bloodwork done btw? if so, PLEASE post the values before and after the cycle. i'm quite curious as to what the results were. 40mg SD for more than 4 weeks with no PCT. great recommendation because of you, some newb is now going to get jaundice. please remove yourself from our board. thank you.

I pity you

Do you think I am going to scan my pathology results for you and post them like a **** head hahaha You probably wouldnt even be able to comprehend them you fool.

**** off

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by lemuel

Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. There is no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy BPH. 40mg, There is a tendency to bruise more easily. There is a zero estrogen conversion with Superdrol, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound Masteron is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic.

But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.

superdrol has only been around for like 10yrs. there are ZERO long term studies on it. it DOES increase levels of DHT in the body and DHT DOES negatively effect the prostate. which is why you DO need to take 325mg saw palmetto to combat these negative effects. the reasons ARE clear as to why users got gyno. they either did NOT run a PROPER PCT with a SERM, they incuded ATD in their PCT protocol, they ran ATD by itself as their PCT, they did NO PCT AT ALL, they inversely ramped up the AI dose with the SERM and ceased taking the AI the 4th week, and estrogen rebounded. they got PROLACTIN induced gyno because SD DOES inhibit prolactin itself. they did not take anything to control the prolactin levels after the cycle, so the suppressed levels rebounded after the SD cleared the system. you're ridiculously unknowledgable. do you even know what methylation DOES to a compound?

[lemuel]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

superdrol has only been around for like 10yrs. there are ZERO long term studies on it. it DOES increase levels of DHT in the body and DHT DOES negatively effect the prostate. which is why you DO need to take 325mg saw palmetto to combat these negative effects. the reasons ARE clear as to why users got gyno. they either did NOT run a PROPER PCT with a SERM, they incuded ATD in their PCT protocol, they ran ATD by itself as their PCT, they did NO PCT AT ALL, they inversely ramped up the AI dose with the SERM and ceased taking the AI the 4th week, and estrogen rebounded. they got PROLACTIN induced gyno because SD DOES inhibit prolactin itself. they did not take anything to control the prolactin levels after the cycle, so the suppressed levels rebounded after the SD cleared the system. you're ridiculously unknowledgable. do you even know what methylation DOES to a compound?

saw palmetto side effects have also been documented these include nausea, cramping, headaches and diarrhea, bleeding or blood clotting disorders (such as hemophilia, stomach ulcers with active bleeding, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, liver disease, heart disease, heart rhythm disorder a history, asthma or other breathing disorders. Taking birth control pills, estrogen replacement medications, tamoxifen (like Nolvadex), toremifene (such as Fareston), testosterone or other types of anabolic steroid, or any hormone-related medicine in general can interact and become harmful. Keep in mind that medications other than those mentioned may also react to saw palmetto and potentially harm you.

In your mind, there seems to be a drug for everything except your ignorance.

Can you recommend some PCT cycle for your PCT cycle eg.. ( saw palmetto, Nolvadex ect..)

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by lemuel

Superdrol is a mild androgen, and anti-estrogenic. There is no occurrence of acne, excessive hair growth, indications of benign prostate hypertrophy BPH. 40mg, There is a tendency to bruise more easily. There is a zero estrogen conversion with Superdrol, because it's 5-reduced and A-ring alkylated on top of that. Binding to the aromatase enzyme, estrogen production will be reduced. Also, the parent compound Masteron is used exclusively as an anti-neoplastic for metastatic breast cancer, so Superdrol is a strong anti-e. Clearly, Superdrol is not progestational, it is non-aromatizable, and even anti-estrogenic.

But this said, it is worth reminding you that no one is clear on what the reasons are for why people get gyno. It can occur even in people using substances with these characteristics. One tester thought he could be having some early symptoms of gyno, although on paper there is clearly no reason to suspect Superdrol contributed to this. The point to take from this is that it is imperative to always have nolvadex or generic tamoxifen citrate powder on hand to administer at the first notice of symptoms of gyno.

There's no proof that Superdrol acts as an Anti-E. Superdrol is NOTHING like Masteron, once you methylate a compound, a completely different compound is yielded. Look at Boldenone which is VERY dry and non estrogenic. Methylate Bold and you have Dianabol - they're COMPLETELY different. Dbol is wet and leads to good amounts of water retention.

Also gyno can occur from MANY other thing besides estrogen conversion. Superdrol is a designer steroid that is made from Anadrol, and as such little to no scientific proven data is available, which will remain as such unless Superdrol one day becomes approved for medical use, which doubtfully will ever happen.

Originally Posted by lemuel

There is a tendency to bruise more easily.

Correct, the 1st signs of possibly liver disease or extreme liver toxicity at the very least. Searching forums and copy and pasting information isn't clinical research my friend.

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by lemuel

saw palmetto side effects have also been documented these include nausea, cramping, headaches and diarrhea, bleeding or blood clotting disorders (such as hemophilia, stomach ulcers with active bleeding, ulcerative colitis, Crohn's disease, liver disease, heart disease, heart rhythm disorder a history, asthma or other breathing disorders. Taking birth control pills, estrogen replacement medications, tamoxifen (like Nolvadex), toremifene (such as Fareston), testosterone or other types of anabolic steroid, or any hormone-related medicine in general can interact and become harmful. Keep in mind that medications other than those mentioned may also react to saw palmetto and potentially harm you.

In your mind, there seems to be a drug for everything except your ignorance.

Can you recommend some PCT cycle for your PCT cycle eg.. ( saw palmetto, Nolvadex ect..)

Next, vitamins & water will be bad for us. These were some of the most amusing, if not plain absurd posts I've seen in quite some time. Thanks for the entertainment. Ignorance is bliss, and if you want to screw your own body and life up feel free as it is your right. Please don't try to drag others with you.

[lemuel]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

superdrol has only been around for like 10yrs. there are ZERO long term studies on it. it DOES increase levels of DHT in the body and DHT DOES negatively effect the prostate. which is why you DO need to take 325mg saw palmetto to combat these negative effects. the reasons ARE clear as to why users got gyno. they either did NOT run a PROPER PCT with a SERM, they incuded ATD in their PCT protocol, they ran ATD by itself as their PCT, they did NO PCT AT ALL, they inversely ramped up the AI dose with the SERM and ceased taking the AI the 4th week, and estrogen rebounded. they got PROLACTIN induced gyno because SD DOES inhibit prolactin itself. they did not take anything to control the prolactin levels after the cycle, so the suppressed levels rebounded after the SD cleared the system. you're ridiculously unknowledgable. do you even know what methylation DOES to a compound?

The smart approx to taking steroids (if there is such a thing) is to track your health eg.. Blood tests, personal performance ect.. and dont throw more **** into your body (PCT) unless you actually have a strong indication for it.

Thats what Ive been saying all along.

[lemuel]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

Next, vitamins & water will be bad for us. These were some of the most amusing, if not plain absurd posts I've seen in quite some time. Thanks for the entertainment. Ignorance is bliss, and if you want to screw your own body and life up feel free as it is your right. Please don't try to drag others with you.

Well too much b12 can ruin your central nervous system too much Vitamin a can kill you .. 100 L of water drunken in one hour will kill you ...

Your a f. u. c. k. wit !!

[crazyfool405]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

Yet 20 -25% of the people polled got delayed gyno

Not to mention its toxicity is worse than any otc AAS BY FAR. It's super saturated ANADROL for Gods sake. There's a couple people on AM alone that had reported near liver shutdown who used Superdrol ALONE, without any other chemicals or AAS. And have permanent liver damage. There's a responsible way to cycle and a irresponsible way - to give blind advice that could possibly mess someone up for life is reckless and plain careless.

Not to mention SERMS, which have been used successfully by top pros for years, has MANY purposes besides avoiding gyno. You need something to restart LH and normal test production which SERMS do an excellent job of. Otherwise your test won't magically come back.

AND NOT TO MENTION its used in the medical feild, MISTER DONT ASSUME YOU NEED PCT,

PCT IS NEEDED, I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GET YOUR INFORMATION, YOU GET BLOOD WORK DONE? YOU IMPOTENT? DUDE YOU NEED TO GO BACK TO MED SCHOOL AND LEARN.
NOT TALKING TO YOU ZIQOUR (OBVIOUSLY)

FOR GOD SAKES,

SD NEEDS A SERM, AND AN AI, I PERSONALLY HAVE NOPRLACTIN ISSUES SO I DONT BOTHER WITH ANY CABER OR P5P, BUT FOR USERS SUSEPTIBL;E ITS A GOOD IDEA. GET BLOOD WORK DONE ASWELL, IM LUCKY MY DOCTOR AND I ARE COOL I CAN GET BLOOD BEFORE DURING AND AFTER TO SEE WHATS GOING ON IN MY BODY.

PS GUYS, LOOK FOWARD TO MY BLOODWORK ON 6BROMO IN OCTOBER. GUNNA GET IT DONE 2 WEEKS INTO (NOT RUNNING IT AS PCT, BUT AS SOMETHING THAT MAY CONVERT TO A STEROID, AND IF BLOOD WORK IS POSITIVE PCT WILL BE DETERMINED THERE.

ZIQOUR, GOOD POST BRO AS USUAL,

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by lemuel

Well too much b12 can ruin your central nervous system too much Vitamin a can kill you .. 100 L of water drunken in one hour will kill you ...

Your a f. u. c. k. wit !!

Interesting, further proving my points. IN