[thundergod]

I know some people don't advocate using ATD in PCT, but I have before, and liked it. I used it the first time in a transdermal. It was really effective. But this time around I was thinking of trying it in a new way to me. I am seriously thinking about making my ATD powder into a suspension. You can put 2 grams into 100 milliliters of extra-virgin olive oil and it will yeild you 20 mg. per 1 ml. serving. You would just have to shake it vigorously before each use. My 20 gram container would yeild me 1,000 servings @20 mg. per serving. Very economical! I was just wondering how many people would advise a suspension over a transdermal or just capping it. I've read that the oral bioavailabilty of ATD is pretty good. I know transdermal is good. Thoughts? THE THUNDERGOD

[thundergod]

BUMP!! THE THUNDERGOD

[KLaw666]

i would just cap it. . . but obviously transdermal is the way to go imho

[pmiller383]

If I was going to make a suspension I would probably try to get 2.5 g in 100ml of olive oil so that doses would come out to 25mg's, that seems to be the average dose for most ATD products. I have never personally tried it though so i don't know if that much would fit. I am interested to see how your results are if you do a suspension because I like the ideal a lot and may join you in trying this.

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by pmiller383

If I was going to make a suspension I would probably try to get 2.5 g in 100ml of olive oil so that doses would come out to 25mg's, that seems to be the average dose for most ATD products. I have never personally tried it though so i don't know if that much would fit. I am interested to see how your results are if you do a suspension because I like the ideal a lot and may join you in trying this.

2.5 grams would fit very easily into 100 ml. of olive oil. That's a lot of oil really. I've made lots of suspensions in the past. I've made them with Horny Goat Weed Powder, Long Jack Powder, and Muira Pauma Powder. They're easy to make. And the oil is good for absorption with the powders as well. Just shake and draw out 1 ml. with an oral baby syringe! Easy!! THE THUNDERGOD

[Antonek]

ani idea where can I get transdermal atd ?

dermabolics used todo the stuff but all gone everywhere...

[pistonpump]

atd sucks.

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by pistonpump

atd sucks.

That's not fair Piston! ha ha That is only your opinion. I've never had a problem with ATD myself. It is a very powerful suicide inhibitor, capable of lowering estrogen levels better than almost anything besides letrozole or arimidex. If used at the proper dosage (25 to 50 mg.) it is very effective. I've never used over 50 mg. per day either. I know that over 50 mg. and you're flirting with libido issues. I like to take 50 mg. per day the first week of PCT and then drop down to 25 mg. for the following weeks. I even like it on-cycle sometimes @25 mg. EOD. It really helps to keep bloatage down. And 20 grams for $30 can't be beat! Talk about economical! That's 1,000 20 mg. servings. Should last a brudda a couple of years! Now, I've given you the reasons I like ATD, please give me some as to why you don't. Thanks for your input as always Piston! THE THUNDERGOD

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by Antonek

ani idea where can I get transdermal atd ?

dermabolics used todo the stuff but all gone everywhere...

Buy you some bulk ATD powder and a bottle of Dermabolics Transport Matrix and make your own. It's cheaper this way too! THE THUNDERGOD

[pistonpump]

Originally Posted by thundergod

That's not fair Piston! ha ha That is only your opinion. THE THUNDERGOD

okay im sorry what i meant to say is that ATD is

no seriously i agree it is good at what it is meant to do which is inhibit estrogen. Its a compound that can find its place in someones arsenal. I guess im just following a board cult hatred following.... one thing is for sure the stuff isnt friendly on libido.

[ImJ2x]

Let me just say that I, too, was blindly following this board's advice to avoid ATD at all costs...
Until I woke up one day (2 weeks post-PCT), with very unexpected, and very aggressive, "delayed" gyno (from SD, of course). I needed something immediately (meaning OTC). Letro is highly regarded for fighting gyno. And from some quick research, I realized that ATD was nearly as effective as Letro, as an AI. And since it's available at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, I ran out and picked some up, along with p5p (I was lactating - sux), and nicotine patches (for my nip).
This attack worked very well and very quickly. I can barely feel any gyno behind my nip, and you can't see anything at all.
So now I'm just tapering down very very gradually, hoping to avoid estro-rebound and return of the gyno.
I used 50mg/day first week; 25mg/day-weeks 2 & 3; now at 25mg 4x/week-weeks 4 5 & 6; ending with 25mg 2x/week-weeks 7 8 9 & 10. No libido probs at all, so far.
So I'm now a big ATD fan.

[thundergod]

Originally Posted by ImJ2x

Let me just say that I, too, was blindly following this board's advice to avoid ATD at all costs...
Until I woke up one day (2 weeks post-PCT), with very unexpected, and very aggressive, "delayed" gyno (from SD, of course). I needed something immediately (meaning OTC). Letro is highly regarded for fighting gyno. And from some quick research, I realized that ATD was nearly as effective as Letro, as an AI. And since it's available at any GNC or Vitamin Shoppe, I ran out and picked some up, along with p5p (I was lactating - sux), and nicotine patches (for my nip).
This attack worked very well and very quickly. I can barely feel any gyno behind my nip, and you can't see anything at all.
So now I'm just tapering down very very gradually, hoping to avoid estro-rebound and return of the gyno.
I used 50mg/day first week; 25mg/day-weeks 2 & 3; now at 25mg 4x/week-weeks 4 5 & 6; ending with 25mg 2x/week-weeks 7 8 9 & 10. No libido probs at all, so far.
So I'm now a big ATD fan.

I've had to re-think my my opinions on ATD lately as well. I've been researching my arse off for the last 3 weeks now. I can't blindly follow the board's cult hate-following of ATD, just because it seems cool to be a parrot!! I want to ask you one thing however ImJ2X. How are you taking your ATD? Did you cap it, make a transdermal, or make an oil suspension out of it. I start PCT this Sunday and I'm getting ready to crack open my 20 gram container of ATD and probably make an extra virgin olive oil suspenion. 40 ml. of oil and 1 gram of ATD powder will yeild me 40 servings at 25 mg. per serving of 1 ML. Just the right serving size IMO!! I was just wondering how you are taking yours? Thanks!! THE THUNDERGOD

[ImJ2x]

I simply bought some Gaspari Novedex XT at Vitamin Shoppe - on sale for $35. I believe the oral availability of ATD is quite good.
What's the theory behind the oil suspension? Does it help with absorption, like taking supps with a "fatty meal?"