[Big3upgrade]

Tren - week 1: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
Tren - week 2: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
Tren - week 3: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3 - Epi: 2/2/2/2/2/3/3
Tren - week 4: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3 - Epi: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
Epi - week 5 : 3/3/3/3/3/4/4
Epi - week 6 : 4/4/4/4/4/5/5

PCT: I have it in check, serm is not necessary for me since I do have problem with gyno, never had, and most likely wont. I can get Serm from my buddy if something major happen, just to be on the safe side I guess. Here is my PCT:

DS - Activate Xtreme, Lean Xtreme
Axis Labs - HyperTest
SNS - Inhibit E
AI - Post Cycle
LiverCare

I know that Lean Xtreme should be taking the last 2 weeks of PCT since during the first 2 weeks your cortisol level is still low. Is there any supps in my PCT that I should take in a special way?

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by Big3upgrade

Tren - week 1: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
Tren - week 2: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
Tren - week 3: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3 - Epi: 2/2/2/2/2/3/3
Tren - week 4: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3 - Epi: 3/3/3/3/3/3/3
Epi - week 5 : 3/3/3/3/3/4/4
Epi - week 6 : 4/4/4/4/4/5/5

PCT: I have it in check, serm is not necessary for me since I do have problem with gyno, never had, and most likely wont. I can get Serm from my buddy if something major happen, just to be on the safe side I guess. Here is my PCT:

DS - Activate Xtreme, Lean Xtreme
Axis Labs - HyperTest
SNS - Inhibit E
AI - Post Cycle
LiverCare

I know that Lean Xtreme should be taking the last 2 weeks of PCT since during the first 2 weeks your cortisol level is still low. Is there any supps in my PCT that I should take in a special way?

Post Cycle Support should be dosed at 2 in the am and 2 in the pm ...

[danbo]

you gonna run a logbook for us Big3??

[Big3upgrade]

Cool, thanks. Yes, I will do a full out log on this stack. Will start monday.

[Rob Awesome]

I'm going to suggest having a SERM on hand - the estrogenic & anti-estrogenic properties aren't just to protect you from gyno.

You're providing your body with Epitiostanol (an exogenous testosterone source)... thus slowing your natural test source.

Le Chatelier's Principle says A + B --------> C

So we have a mixture containing A, B, and C. According to LeChatlier's principle, add more C to the mixture, the amounts of A and B will increase. If we remove some of the C from the mixture, A and B will decrease. And if we were to add A, B, or a combination of the two, C will increase.

While you're on a cycle, your natural test production is decreasing to compensate for the exogenous test consumption and your production of other steroidal hormones (estrogen, cortisol) is going to increase compensating for the increased testosterone in your system. When you come off the cycle, your intake of exogenous testosterone obviously is finished. Thus, you will have very low test levels, and very high cortisol and estrogen levels: it's the exact opposite of what you had while starting your cycle.

High estrogen levels play an integral part in Post Cycle therapy. You want the high estrogen, but only the positive aspects... And that solution is the SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator). The purpose of a SERM is to block the negative effects of estrogen, while your hormone levels go back to equilibrium.

Toremifene is very popular. It's much less toxic, but more expensive.
Popular Dosage (for a 4-week cycle): 120-90mg/90mg/60mg/30mg

Otherwise, the rest of your PCT looks solid. Good luck OP!

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by Rob Awesome

I'm going to suggest having a SERM on hand - the estrogenic & anti-estrogenic properties aren't just to protect you from gyno.

You're providing your body with Epitiostanol (an exogenous testosterone source)... thus slowing your natural test source.

Le Chatelier's Principle says A + B --------> C

So we have a mixture containing A, B, and C. According to LeChatlier's principle, add more C to the mixture, the amounts of A and B will increase. If we remove some of the C from the mixture, A and B will decrease. And if we were to add A, B, or a combination of the two, C will increase.

While you're on a cycle, your natural test production is decreasing to compensate for the exogenous test consumption and your production of other steroidal hormones (estrogen, cortisol) is going to increase compensating for the increased testosterone in your system. When you come off the cycle, your intake of exogenous testosterone obviously is finished. Thus, you will have very low test levels, and very high cortisol and estrogen levels: it's the exact opposite of what you had while starting your cycle.

High estrogen levels play an integral part in Post Cycle therapy. You want the high estrogen, but only the positive aspects... And that solution is the SERM (Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator). The purpose of a SERM is to block the negative effects of estrogen, while your hormone levels go back to equilibrium.

Toremifene is very popular. It's much less toxic, but more expensive.
Popular Dosage (for a 4-week cycle): 120-90mg/90mg/60mg/30mg

Otherwise, the rest of your PCT looks solid. Good luck OP!

Rob,

If your test levels decrease and there is less substrate with which to produce estrogen can explain how estrogen levels will increase? I'm not being a **** here, I actually subscribed to this theory until I got blood work done for my Bold/P-Plex/Trena cycle. Test and estrogen decreased substantially.

Post cycle blood work showed
Total testosterone level of 7 (Normal 250-1100)
Estradiol <20 (Normal 30-75)

Thus I believe that LeChatlier's Principle is incorrect in this instance. If you take away the substrate by which a hormone is made (i.e. testosterone is the substrate by which estradiol is made) there is no way for other hormones dependent on that substrate to increase...

[Rob Awesome]

Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

Rob,

If your test levels decrease and there is less substrate with which to produce estrogen can explain how estrogen levels will increase? I'm not being a **** here, I actually subscribed to this theory until I got blood work done for my Bold/P-Plex/Trena cycle. Test and estrogen decreased substantially.

Post cycle blood work showed
Total testosterone level of 7 (Normal 250-1100)
Estradiol <20 (Normal 30-75)

Thus I believe that LeChatlier's Principle is incorrect in this instance. If you take away the substrate by which a hormone is made (i.e. testosterone is the substrate by which estradiol is made) there is no way for other hormones dependent on that substrate to increase...

Estrogen & Cortisol increase in response to elevated Testosterone levels from the exogenous input you're providing for increased Test levels.

It's the fact your estrogen is relatively high when your testosterone is lower (post-cycle @ no exogenous testosterone & endogenous production is lower than normal due to suppression)

I'm not wishing to debate with you - as you are a VERY intelligent, and knowledgeable individual, D. Thanks man

[Big3upgrade]

Thank you guys, I have tweaked my PCT a little bit. Here is what it is going to look like:

IDS PCT 3-2-2-1
-AI PCS 4-4-4-4
---ZMA 3-3-3-3
----LX--------3-3-3-3
----AX--------3-3-3-3

I work grave from 10pm-6am, and I sleep from 7am-3pm. What best dosage/timing would be best for my schedule? (for all the products)


BTW the stack is going great, I did not have time to do a log but I can tell you that this is by far the best stack I have done to date for strength and mass wise. I started out at 210lbs, it has been 27 days now and I am at 225lbs. For some reason it wasnt as dry as I would like, I have to admit some of my weight is water. My strength has gone up the roof, I am seeing any where from 10lbs-45lbs increase in every single workout. I will be finishing up extreme tren on monday, and on that day I will hit the 2 weeks mark on epidrol. When Am I expecting the recomp/leaning up effect from epi product?

[Rob Awesome]

Good luck OP!