First H drol cycle. Advice with cycle...

gage1988 · 05-11-2008, 04:42 PM

Hi, been training over two years now. First time of trying PH's and therefore cycling with PCT. I've done a fair bit of reasearch and i'd be greatful for any advice on my cycle etc..

I'm doing a four week cycle of 50/50/50/50mg per day, perhaps upping to 75mg last couple weeks.

During this cycle i will be taking 'Anabolic Innovations Life support' and milk thistle which i will continue taking through my PCT.

Also in my pct i will be taking an A.I. of 6-oxo on top of the life support. Do you think i should start the pct over lapping with h drol or straight afterwards?

I'd be greatful for any advice on supplements of this kind etc..I also have a creatine, should i include that as part of my pct?

Anything else you think i may of missed out too!

Thanks

futurepilot · 05-11-2008, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by gage1988

pct i will be taking an A.I. of 6-oxo on top of the life support.

I'd be greatful for any advice on supplements of this kind etc..I also have a creatine, should i include that as part of my pct?

Thanks

2 years is not enough training time to consider doing steroids, but since you most likely are goin to run the cycle, im guessing you already bought all the supps, here goes.

I would consider a SERM for pct.

And check this out. Common Problems ON Cycle: What To Do?

And about the creatine? I dont know why but most people here say to save the creatine for pct. I dont see any reason why you would wait for pct. I would run it from beginning of cycle to end of pct. I think that with a steroid on board the creatine gets used more effectively.

gage1988 · 05-12-2008, 05:07 AM

Cheers!

Think i'll get some Novex just incase. Anything you think i'm missing from the cycle though?

futurepilot · 05-12-2008, 07:06 PM

Theres a million things you could add. But if you dont already take fish oil check this out.

http://www.vrp.com/articles.aspx?pag...ch_in=articles

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1...ubmed_RVDocSum

msucurt · 05-16-2008, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by gage1988

Hi, been training over two years now. First time of trying PH's and therefore cycling with PCT. I've done a fair bit of reasearch and i'd be greatful for any advice on my cycle etc..

I'm doing a four week cycle of 50/50/50/50mg per day, perhaps upping to 75mg last couple weeks.

During this cycle i will be taking 'Anabolic Innovations Life support' and milk thistle which i will continue taking through my PCT.

Also in my pct i will be taking an A.I. of 6-oxo on top of the life support. Do you think i should start the pct over lapping with h drol or straight afterwards?

I'd be greatful for any advice on supplements of this kind etc..I also have a creatine, should i include that as part of my pct?

Anything else you think i may of missed out too!

Thanks

Im starting a hdrol cycle monday (50/50/50/50), and my PCT will be as follows....(did a lot of research on this too....)

PCT: (4weeks)

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle Support: 4 caps/day
Lean Xtreme: 3/day (start day 15)
I3C : 600 mgs/ed
6-oxo: tapered down starting in week 4--300ed /200ed /100ed

gage1988 · 05-18-2008, 10:50 AM

Cheers msukurt. Looks a pretty good pct. I've got some no xplode lying about, shall i save it for pct too do you reckon?

Let me know how our getting on, and i'll keep you informed with mine. I'm starting the week after now. Gonna get my finals out the way first!

msucurt · 05-18-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by gage1988

Cheers msukurt. Looks a pretty good pct. I've got some no xplode lying about, shall i save it for pct too do you reckon?

Let me know how our getting on, and i'll keep you informed with mine. I'm starting the week after now. Gonna get my finals out the way first!

I agree with the PCT. I am thinking of doing a log, but not sure. Regardless, I will post results and keep you and everyone else informed.

thanks, and good luck on your finals. I just passed my chemistry certification for hs.

dmangiarelli · 05-18-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gage1988

Hi, been training over two years now. First time of trying PH's and therefore cycling with PCT. I've done a fair bit of reasearch and i'd be greatful for any advice on my cycle etc..

I'm doing a four week cycle of 50/50/50/50mg per day, perhaps upping to 75mg last couple weeks.

During this cycle i will be taking 'Anabolic Innovations Life support' and milk thistle which i will continue taking through my PCT.

Also in my pct i will be taking an A.I. of 6-oxo on top of the life support. Do you think i should start the pct over lapping with h drol or straight afterwards?

I'd be greatful for any advice on supplements of this kind etc..I also have a creatine, should i include that as part of my pct?

Anything else you think i may of missed out too!

Thanks

IMO you do not ever "need" a SERM. In the old days Arnold, Lou Ferrigno, Dr. Franco Columbu and mayn others did test and D-bol cycles with no PCT at all and gyno was still a minor problem. Recovery took much longer but it is not a necessity to take a SERM.

Having said that, I ran a Bold/P-Plex/Trena cycle which was about as extremely suppressive as you can get. You can see my review of my PCT protocol here. As you will see at the end of my cycle my total test count was 7 (normal 250-1100). After quite a bit of research I designed a PCT protocol that brought my test levels back to normal and controlled estrogen and all of my numbers returned to a "normal range" in 31 days. There will be haters out there that will dispute my results but the truth is, the protocol I used produced teh results that you see.

For H-drol you can just run either a low dosed SERM or Post Cycle Support and an AI and you will recover just fine. Run the AI in teh 4th week of your SERM and taper it down. This will allow estrogen to return to a normal level slowly and under control and will help you avoid an estrogen rebound.

Good luck ...

If you have any questions feel free to post them here or PM me.

futurepilot · 05-18-2008, 01:38 PM

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attac...ning1-1-_2.jpg

Heres Franco Columbo and his "minor" gyno.

So the lesson here is if you want to be "just fine" like columbo, follow the advice of a guy who is paid by a company to push their products.

dmangiarelli · 05-18-2008, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by futurepilot

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/attac...ning1-1-_2.jpg

Heres Franco Columbo and his "minor" gyno.

So the lesson here is if you want to be "just fine" like columbo, follow the advice of a guy who is paid by a company to push their products.

Also a guy that designed this PCT protocol BEFORE he became a rep. In fact, I was asked to be a rep because of the protocol. And also has blood work to prove that the protocol is effective ...

Here's a picture of Arnold (no gyno, No PCT)

dmangiarelli · 05-18-2008, 03:29 PM

This is even better ...

FP, I'm not sure when your picture was taken but this one clearly shows no gyno. Maybe that one you posted was an on cycle pic? Maybe this one I posted is prior to yours? Anyways, my point is that gyno back then was a minor problem (as in the percentage of guys that had it in comparison to the number of guys that were juicing with no PCT).

We could piss about it all day. you are entitled to your opinion as am I entitled to mine. I back mine up with my own use of my protocols along with blood work that shows their effectiveness. It's not like I'm pushing products that I have no idea of their effectiveness ...

msucurt · 05-18-2008, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

IMO you do not ever "need" a SERM. In the old days Arnold, Lou Ferrigno, Dr. Franco Columbu and mayn others did test and D-bol cycles with no PCT at all and gyno was still a minor problem. Recovery took much longer but it is not a necessity to take a SERM.

Having said that, I ran a Bold/P-Plex/Trena cycle which was about as extremely suppressive as you can get. You can see my review of my PCT protocol here. As you will see at the end of my cycle my total test count was 7 (normal 250-1100). After quite a bit of research I designed a PCT protocol that brought my test levels back to normal and controlled estrogen and all of my numbers returned to a "normal range" in 31 days. There will be haters out there that will dispute my results but the truth is, the protocol I used produced teh results that you see.

For H-drol you can just run either a low dosed SERM or Post Cycle Support and an AI and you will recover just fine. Run the AI in teh 4th week of your SERM and taper it down. This will allow estrogen to return to a normal level slowly and under control and will help you avoid an estrogen rebound.

Good luck ...

If you have any questions feel free to post them here or PM me.

So, how would you say this PCT for a run of h-drol at 50/50/50/50 looks??

PCT: (4weeks)

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle Support: 4 caps/day
Lean Xtreme: 3/day (start day 15)
I3C : 600 mgs/ed
6-oxo: tapered down starting in week 4--300ed /200ed /100ed

thanks man

dmangiarelli · 05-18-2008, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by msucurt

So, how would you say this PCT for a run of h-drol at 50/50/50/50 looks??

PCT: (4weeks)

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle Support: 4 caps/day
Lean Xtreme: 3/day (start day 15)
I3C : 600 mgs/ed
6-oxo: tapered down starting in week 4--300ed /200ed /100ed

thanks man

I would say it looks pretty good. You might want to consider adding ZMA but with the Nolva+PCS you probably wouldn't "need" it. It's optional ...

msucurt · 05-18-2008, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

I would say it looks pretty good. You might want to consider adding ZMA but with the Nolva+PCS you probably wouldn't "need" it. It's optional ...

Yea, i will probably add creatine and ZMA to PCT. I am still unsure about the I3C though. I dunno.

mattikus · 05-18-2008, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by msucurt

So, how would you say this PCT for a run of h-drol at 50/50/50/50 looks??

PCT: (4weeks)

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle Support: 4 caps/day
Lean Xtreme: 3/day (start day 15)
I3C : 600 mgs/ed
6-oxo: tapered down starting in week 4--300ed /200ed /100ed

thanks man

That should be a solid pct. And I can vouch for dmangiarelli's protocol recommendations. I have used very protocols in the past with excellent recovery.

msucurt · 05-18-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mattikus

That should be a solid pct. And I can vouch for dmangiarelli's protocol recommendations. I have used very protocols in the past with excellent recovery.

thanks man. I appreciate it. I have some older nolva that I have had for a while. It "expired" in '07, but it is still in its' packaged seal (kept in a dark, cool place). I would assume this is still ok to use. They are in pill form.

thanks