[msucurt]

Here is my setup. I know the dosages and PCT is somewhat debated on all forums, but i just want to get a consensus on a good, clean PCT for this. I dont want a bunch of misc. stuff that isnt needed. Something easy i guess you could say.

CYCLE:

Hdrol : 50/50/50/50
Cycle support during wks 1-4

PCT: (4weeks)

Nolva: 20/20/10/10
Post Cycle Support: 4 caps/day
Lean Xtreme: 3/day (start day 15)
I3C : 600 mgs/ed
6-oxo: tapered down starting in week 4--300ed /200ed /100ed


Any suggestions?

thanks a lot

[bassgod272]

yea, change your nolva dosing to 20/20/10/10. people are going overboard with SERM dosing these days. more is not better. with such a light cycle like that, my above suggestion will be plenty to get you up and running again, when combined with your other mentioned items. good luck bro.

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

yea, change your nolva dosing to 20/20/10/10. people are going overboard with SERM dosing these days. more is not better. with such a light cycle like that, my above suggestion will be plenty to get you up and running again, when combined with your other mentioned items. good luck bro.

I agree and because you are using PCS as well there is no need for a such a high dose of Nolva ...

Good luck bro!

[msucurt]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

yea, change your nolva dosing to 20/20/10/10. people are going overboard with SERM dosing these days. more is not better. with such a light cycle like that, my above suggestion will be plenty to get you up and running again, when combined with your other mentioned items. good luck bro.

thanks bass. I actually have a weird question in a way. I have some nolva and tarom that i have had for quite some time now. It expires in 07, but has always been kept in a dark, cool place. Would this be ok to still use? The packs are still individually sealed (basically like any cough medicine in the foil packaging that you push the pill out of the back....)

thanks

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by msucurt

thanks bass. I actually have a weird question in a way. I have some nolva and tarom that i have had for quite some time now. It expires in 07, but has always been kept in a dark, cool place. Would this be ok to still use? The packs are still individually sealed (basically like any cough medicine in the foil packaging that you push the pill out of the back....)

thanks

since you have the tablets, it is considered a medication. most uers use research chems, not the real thing. so this gets tricky. medications(in the tablet/capsule/granule form) are typically "good" for about 6 yrs or so after they are manufactured. i'm a certified pharmacy technician and know that the FDA uses exp dates as a "just to be safe" measure. HOWEVER, things such as tetracyclines and a few other meds actually break down into TOXIC compounds after they expire. nolva, to my knowledge, is not one of those medications, but i can research a bit in our pharmacy's computer for you and get back with you tomorrow to be 100% sure. for all other medications, they don't eally "go bad" per se. they lose potency. 10% after expiration to be exact. since yours are 1 year past expiration, they may need to be dosed higher. 10% loss of potency is an odd number to have to compensate for while speaking of tablets. if you have the time to spare, let me research a bit and get back to you. 10% is minimal and IMO if all is well in nolva's exp info that i find, then just keep the doses the same at 20/20/10/10. users have used POST cycle support alone with an AI as their PCT for a cycle like yours with success, so there wouldnt be a need to worry.

[msucurt]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

since you have the tablets, it is considered a medication. most uers use research chems, not the real thing. so this gets tricky. medications(in the tablet/capsule/granule form) are typically "good" for about 6 yrs or so after they are manufactured. i'm a certified pharmacy technician and know that the FDA uses exp dates as a "just to be safe" measure. HOWEVER, things such as tetracyclines and a few other meds actually break down into TOXIC compounds after they expire. nolva, to my knowledge, is not one of those medications, but i can research a bit in our pharmacy's computer for you and get back with you tomorrow to be 100% sure. for all other medications, they don't eally "go bad" per se. they lose potency. 10% after expiration to be exact. since yours are 1 year past expiration, they may need to be dosed higher. 10% loss of potency is an odd number to have to compensate for while speaking of tablets. if you have the time to spare, let me research a bit and get back to you. 10% is minimal and IMO if all is well in nolva's exp info that i find, then just keep the doses the same at 20/20/10/10. users have used POST cycle support alone with an AI as their PCT for a cycle like yours with success, so there wouldnt be a need to worry.

sounds awesome. Obviously the cycle is going to be pretty light, so i think it would be fine. I really appreciate it. Although I could just go ahead and buy some new nolva and know that i have legit chems.

Thanks for your help.

[rabican]

is

Lean Xtreme: 3/day (start day 15)
I3C : 600 mgs/ed
6-oxo: tapered down starting in week 4--300ed /200ed /100ed

even needed for this cycle?

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by rabican

is

Lean Xtreme: 3/day (start day 15)
I3C : 600 mgs/ed
6-oxo: tapered down starting in week 4--300ed /200ed /100ed

even needed for this cycle?

the lean extreme will make him leaner and help to not put on fat during PCT while keeping cals high. the I3C lowers bad estrogen, so it's a great PCT item IMO. is it truly NEEDED, not really. it does serve a purpose though. the 6-oxo taper IS required. when using an AI and SERM, the AI needs to be tapered back down to prevent an estrogen rebound from happening. if you just drop it all together at its highest dose, estro will rebound after that outside estrogen control is gone, since it has been suppressed for 4 weeks.

[rabican]

why is the i3c needed if hes using 6oxo? aren't both these AI products, esp for a light hdrol cycle...?

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

the lean extreme will make him leaner and help to not put on fat during PCT while keeping cals high. the I3C lowers bad estrogen, so it's a great PCT item IMO. is it truly NEEDED, not really. it does serve a purpose though. the 6-oxo taper IS required. when using an AI and SERM, the AI needs to be tapered back down to prevent an estrogen rebound from happening. if you just drop it all together at its highest dose, estro will rebound after that outside estrogen control is gone, since it has been suppressed for 4 weeks.

it's not.

[rabican]

...iv heard Diindolylmethane (DIM) is better than i3c.
Would a product like Diesel Test Hardcore (which has DIM) work as both a AI and test booster for a light cycle like this?

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by rabican

...iv heard Diindolylmethane (DIM) is better than i3c.
Would a product like Diesel Test Hardcore (which has DIM) work as both a AI and test booster for a light cycle like this?

IMHO for ME anyways, i'd be perfectly comfortable running PCS and DTH as my PCT for this cycle. depends on how prone to suppression and shutdown you are. everybody's different. an AI and test booster are KIND OF the same thing. they both lower estrogen while also increasing teststerone. AI's just do this at a MUCH higher extent. so i guess the answer to your question would be yes. i'm using it now during my PCT for a p-plex/SD bridge cycle. it's being used as my AI/test booster

[mattikus]

The people that say DIM is better than I3C stand to make $$$ with the success of DIM. Very biased.

[msucurt]

Originally Posted by mattikus

The people that say DIM is better than I3C stand to make $$$ with the success of DIM. Very biased.

I think I am going to stick with my above PCT for the hdrol. Obviously add in creatine, maybe some ZMA.