[VINYL]

So i just finished a 4 wk havoc cycle. My gains were pretty good for a 4 wk cycle. I gained about 6 lean lbs. and strength was great! went from 6'1 200 at 15% bf to about 206.2 at 14.3% bf.

My PCT consists of.......
6 caps Mass fx spread evenly throughout the day
Retain 2
1 in the morning 1 afternoon 1 mid-evening
(1 before workout)
BCAA
Glutamine
Creatine
MRM multi
I will be doing this for 4 wks along with my SERM
wk 1
day 1-3 Torem 120mg
day 4-7 Torem 90mg
wk 2
Torem 90mg
wk 3
Torem 60mg
wk 4
Torem 30mg

Now my question...........
I havent been sleeping at all!! I dont know what to do about this.. it totally sucks! what can i take or do to help aid in getting better sleep? what is the best natural option? I know some supps that help and i would prefer a diff. option.
also I will begin cutting soon, so should i begin Taking my CLA right now with my PCT or wait till week 5 when i am done with my SERM? I will maintain the 6 Mass Fx for an additional 20 days after the Torem is done and add ZMA and CLA in week 5,6,7, What is the best way to do it?? start now or later?

Thanks for the help

[VINYL]

Bizump

[dmangiarelli]

When are you taking the Torem?

[VINYL]

Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

When are you taking the Torem?

Around 11am or so.... I dont take any supps after about 6pm, just a retain 2 at like 8pm.

[lennoxchi]

Originally Posted by VINYL

Around 11am or so.... I don't take any supps after about 6pm, just a retain 2 at like 8pm.

whenever i can't sleep i will supplement Powerfull (l-dopa), melatonan or phenibut into my diet. just depends on what you like best.

[VINYL]

Thanks, I do like phenabut especially stacked with GABA...... I have heard alot about Powerfull... how is it? how does it work

[JohnnyBGood]

DHEA can help restore the sleep cycle when hormones are a little out of whack from a recent cycle.

[VINYL]

really? and I am only 27.... i hear that it is much better for someone over 30. Also i hear that DHEA can convert to DHT and cause shedding? and that it can also be suppresive.. also when would be best to take the DHEA? and what mg?

[VINYL]

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[JohnnyBGood]

DHEA is generally more effective on older guys since their hormone levels drop with age. However younger guys' levels drop in early PCT. Here's a link to a particularly informative old thread on the topic. Surely, there are more if you search.



How much DHEA PCT