[SigEpZeino]

I am about to run my first cycle of Epistane and after reading multiple threads I was wondering if Nolva and milk thistle is enough for my PCT?????

This is my first cycle and I want to make sure of everything before I start

My PCT would consist of taking Nolva:
30mg/day first week
20mg/day for last 3 weeks

And Milk Thistle about 1 gram a day

I will also be pulsing my Epi cycle EOD for a total of 8 weeks just to add that in.....

Sould I also add in PCS by Anabolic Inov?????

[bbkhan87]

use nolva 40/30/20/20 and 6 oxo 150/300/450/600. Also use retain for cortisol control. also use cycle support.

[SigEpZeino]

Well as far as my PCT goes then:

Nolva = 40/30/30/20
PCS = 2 scoops a day spread out
Retain = How many pills a day??? 4?

Does this sound good enough????

I am trying to avoid the most amount of possible damage to my interals.....

[Rugger]

fyi PCS comes in pill form

[SigEpZeino]

My bad....... I was thinking of cycle support.....
typing to fast and not thinking

come to think of it this stuff gets expensinve like the PCT is twice that of the actual cycle!!

[neoborn]

Most Importantly!

No Excuses & No ***** ***: A Stupid People's Guide to PCT

SERM + P.C.T Guide

Now please, anyone is free to discuss this and tell me I've totally got it wrong or need to add something. Now with that said:

Bloodwork! I cannot / we cannot say this enough that it is highly recommended to get bloodwork so you know how to run your PCT and WHAT you need to run on your PCT.

1. SERM - Torem, Ralox, Nolvadex etc

Example Torem Dosing: - As per Interlocutor
Day 1-5 = 120mg Torm
Day 6-21 = 60mg Torm
Day 22-28 = 30mg Torm

Alternative Torm Dosing:
Week1: Days 1-3: 120mg Torm, Days 4-7: 90 mg Torm
Week2: 60mg Torm
Week3: 60mg Torm
Week4: 30mg Torm

You should monitor this carefully and will most likely bounce back rather quickly with this SERM as per reports given by experienced users on the board.


Example Nolva Dosing:
Wk1: 40,40,40,20,20,20,20
Wk2: 20mg everyday
Wk3: 10mg everyday
Wk4: 10mg everyday

I am not sure why anyone would go above these dosages, as per Dinoii, as the large body of studies / material backs up dosages no more than 40mg and mainly focuses on 20mg / 10mg dosage schemes. More is not better

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe.

3. AI - Formestane(Highly Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - Good reviews or I have used: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

NON-Rx SERM + P.C.T Guide

1. Non Rx SERM - Post Cycle Support(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended)

2. Cycle Support - Cycle Support(Highly Recommended), Liver Longer, Perfect Cycle, Liv52, NAC, SAMe, Advanced PCT.

3. AI - Formestane(Recommended), Sustain Alpha(Recommended), 6-OXO / Androstenetrione.

4. Anti-Cort - X-Lean, Retain 2, Lean Xtreme, 11-OxO, Abliderate (8oz), B-Androstenetriol

5. Test Booster - Good reviews or have used the following: Sustain Alpha(Recommended), Drive, T-Force, Activate(original).

All of the products and protocols above are open to discussion. This is not a hard and fast list but a guide to help.

With that said Epistane style products on a non extreme usage style cycle are going to use a less extreme PCT. Better not to have huge hormonal swinging in either direction. Calm, steady and relative therapy is recommended.

Things To Note

1. You will most likely want to run your AI (Formestane) for a month or so after finishing your PCT therapy to make sure you experience no estrogen rebound / flooding. If you run your PCT for four weeks, as you ramp down on your SERM etc ramp up on your Formestane / AI so, to as keep your estrogen under control. There has been talk of SERMs actually exacerbating this problem due to kicking test up too high then *boom!* man boobs!

2. Once done your PCT, and AI time ramp it down slowly until about one month after PCT


3. Gynomastia - >>>Read This!<<< and >>>This!<<<

4. Real Gynomastia Before & After's:


5. Love your Liver!

[Manimalia]

do the starred parts of that title above me in "No excuses and No ***** ***... and so on" stand for b1tch t1t?

[SigEpZeino]

So which one is better overall with everyone??
I have equal votes for Epistane, epidrol, and Havoc.....

Im kinda leaning towards Epistane or Havoc

[zbtboy]

Originally Posted by SigEpZeino

Well as far as my PCT goes then:

Nolva = 40/30/30/20
PCS = 2 scoops a day spread out
Retain = How many pills a day??? 4?

Does this sound good enough????

I am trying to avoid the most amount of possible damage to my interals.....

This looks good as long as your running Cycle Support too?

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by bbkhan87

use nolva 40/30/20/20 and 6 oxo 150/300/450/600. Also use retain for cortisol control. also use cycle support.

Just out of curiosity how do you come up with the 50 mg doses of 6-oxo? Are you splitting the caps open? Each cap is 100 mgs ...

[Brolic]

how should he does his oxo and nolva

40/30/20/10
100 300 600 300 200 100