HAVOC PCT question

sooner999

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I am in the middle of a 4 week havoc cycle 20/20/30/30/. Everything is well and gains are coming fast. I rather be safe than sorry and chose to run nolva for my pct. My question is along with the ramped down nolva what else is mandatory, AI,anti-cort,tester booster?? I already have Post Cycle Support on hand but wont need it now that i have made the choice to run nolva.
 
sooner999 said:
I am in the middle of a 4 week havoc cycle 20/20/30/30/. Everything is well and gains are coming fast. I rather be safe than sorry and chose to run nolva for my pct. My question is along with the ramped down nolva what else is mandatory, AI,anti-cort,tester booster?? I already have Post Cycle Support on hand but wont need it now that i have made the choice to run nolva.
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You could run PCS along side of the SERM. It will boost test and help to control estrogen. If not at least run an AI after the Nolva. 6-oxo is a good choice.
 
sooner999 said:
thanks
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Hey, I am glad to see someone is similar to where I am right now...

I am on week 2 of my 20/20/30/30 cycle... Monday I kick it up to 30 and I am ecited to do so... I have seen a few increases so far but really just my strength has gone up so far... So incredible pumps...and libido is jumpin!

I have had mild back pumps only for a little while than they disipated... Other than that I can ot wait to drop the 30mg...

What do I have to look forward to? Did you see a difference in the 20 to 30?

Also, I am runig Nolva 40/40/20/20 as my PCT... I am using liver longer, AI's Cycle support, and creatine...

I am not getting a test booster yet but will if need be... Good luck bro!
 
brandon615 said:
WTF??? do you know what p.c.t. stands for?
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I think he means For the same length, like most people run Havoc for 4 weeks, so PCT for 4 weeks...

If this is what you mean yes... here is a quick formula...

Length of PH Cycle = Length of PCT...

Length of PH Cycle + Length of PCT = time off between cycles...

Do not and I stress NOT mess with this.. There is a reason they say your time on equals your time off, I do not care how much succes you have had on a cycle... Many variables need to recover and return to normal state... If not you are F'in yourself up... Be smart not stupid when running any cycle...
 
fitdaws said:
do u run pct same time as havoc?
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if you are talking about pct by annabolic innovations then yes you can, but it would probably make more sense to take cycle support while on cycle and save the pct for pct (im confusing myself now hehe) If you were just talking about doing your post cycle therapy the same time as you cycle, then you probably have no business doing steroids.

Im not sure what the verdict is on serms and epi/havoc but it seems like most people run one. Personally, when i finish my epi cycle i think im just gonna run ai's post cycle support and a week or two of arimidex to prevent any rebound gyno. I have nolva on hand if necessary, but i think a strong ai like arimidex (which from i understand has been shown to help restore hpta) should take care of it,
 
sooner999 said:
I am in the middle of a 4 week havoc cycle 20/20/30/30/. Everything is well and gains are coming fast. I rather be safe than sorry and chose to run nolva for my pct. My question is along with the ramped down nolva what else is mandatory, AI,anti-cort,tester booster?? I already have Post Cycle Support on hand but wont need it now that i have made the choice to run nolva.
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Check out this posting to help with your PCT from havoc: :D

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sooner999 said:
How and when do you recomend I dose my anti-cort. First week of pct, taper etc.
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Yes, i'd start it in the first week of your pct and taper it over the 4 week pct period. I use Retain 2 by AX and use the dosing pattern of 3,3,2,2 over the 4 weeks.
 
sooner999 said:
How and when do you recomend I dose my anti-cort. First week of pct, taper etc.
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I wouldn't start until the third week (day 15). It takes your body a few weeks to figure out WTF is up and how to fix it. Once it figures this out it goes into overtime mode to restart test production. It is at this time that cort levels begin to rise. I use LX for three weeks at 3 caps/day and I increase my caffeine intake as well which really helps with the leaning effect.

Good luck ...
 
dmangiarelli said:
I wouldn't start until the third week (day 15). It takes your body a few weeks to figure out WTF is up and how to fix it. Once it figures this out it goes into overtime mode to restart test production. It is at this time that cort levels begin to rise. I use LX for three weeks at 3 caps/day and I increase my caffeine intake as well which really helps with the leaning effect.

Good luck ...
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I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with you here. Your cortisol levels will be elevated fairly quickly during the pct period. Your body doesn't take too long to realize that exogenous test(or other compound) levels cease thus becoming stressed rather quickly to upregulate again.

As your body gradually recovers its HPTA the need for the cortisol suppression/control lessens.

I've always started with day 1 of pct and never had any issues to date. I know that this topic is frequently debated, but that's my stance on it.
 
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