[Behemoth1]

yeah my life sucks ass as it is, the last thing i need is gyno comming back to haunt me months after my cycle so i was wondering if instead of running 40/40/20/20 what does everyone think of just running 20 for 6 weeks to kinda keep it at bay longer. im just kinda kickin around ideas. i also thought about running an ai inversely but my nolva dose isn't gonna vary that much anyway

[dmangiarelli]

Originally Posted by Behemoth1

yeah my life sucks ass as it is, the last thing i need is gyno comming back to haunt me months after my cycle so i was wondering if instead of running 40/40/20/20 what does everyone think of just running 20 for 6 weeks to kinda keep it at bay longer. im just kinda kickin around ideas. i also thought about running an ai inversely but my nolva dose isn't gonna vary that much anyway

Why not run the AI tapered after the Nolva? Start high and taper down so you let the estrogen come back but under control. If you taper up and stop suddenly you are creating a situation where the ER's are ultra sensitive and there is nothing to stop the estrogen from rising rapidly. With the ER's being that sensitive even a small rise in estrogen levels is enough to cause gyno ...

[Behemoth1]

Originally Posted by dmangiarelli

Why not run the AI tapered after the Nolva? Start high and taper down so you let the estrogen come back but under control. If you taper up and stop suddenly you are creating a situation where the ER's are ultra sensitive and there is nothing to stop the estrogen from rising rapidly. With the ER's being that sensitive even a small rise in estrogen levels is enough to cause gyno ...

not a bad idea, I'll probably run a cortisol blocker with that as well. If i recall my last epistane cycle i tapered down in AI dosage.

[The_Reverend]

Running an AI after I finish a SERM has always worked perfectly to prevent rebound for me.

[Iron Lungz]

I agree here. I always use a SERM by itself, then start an AI the last few days of my SERM usage and taper for 4 weeks. This protocal has worked well for me and many others to prevent rebound. Just make sure to get a good AI. And some have even used Letro and tapered for 4 weeks after the SERM. Just a thought, though.

[The_Reverend]

My AI of choice is 6-OXO Extreme. So far so good and my last cycle was over 5 months ago.

[Kristofer68SS]

so how would this look

3-4 weeks SD/PP
4 weeks PCS by AI-bottle dosage
4 weeks 6oxoX, tapering down

[Rugger]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

so how would this look

3-4 weeks SD/PP
4 weeks PCS by AI-bottle dosage
4 weeks 6oxoX, tapering down

You need a serm.

[Kristofer68SS]

will this suffice?

[Kristofer68SS]

i thought PCS was serm like..........

[sogone2day]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

will this suffice?

yes thats torfemine i belive

[BigJoeski3]

nolva for 6 weeks wouldn't be the best idea,as prolonged use of a serm leads to estrogen hypersensitivity, leading to delayed gyno (exactly what ur trying to avoid)

Patrick Arnold (knows his stuff) laid out a pct protocol for superdrol in an MD mag just a few issues ago,

Week 1,2,3 - a "good dose" of a serm (tamox)
Week 4 - serm, plus an AI
Week 5,6,7 - AI, plus a SHBG binding compound

[Problem]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

i thought PCS was serm like..........

PCS is not a SERM or any type of AI, it's a test booster.

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by Problem

PCS is not a SERM or any type of AI, it's a test booster.

I did not state it was a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator........I said Serm like, Made by Anabolic Innovations.

Nor did i state that it was a aromatase inhibitor.

But thanks anyways.

I know the difference.........Did you happen to see my picture of L-Tor? Tormefine, a SERM.

[ImJ2x]

Originally Posted by Problem

PCS is not a SERM or any type of AI, it's a test booster.

The main ingredient in PCS is resveratrol, which supposedly is a SERM (or at least a SERM-lite, lol). But let me tell you a little story...
I completed a very successful Superdrol 3on/4off pulse (low dosed - 20mg avg). The gains were excellent, and sides were basically non-existent. I had no lethargy, and no apparent shutdown, due to the HPTA bounceback on the 4 consecutive "off" days each week. (My "boys" didn't shrink, my libido was actually higher than normal, and my "equipment" worked just fine all the way through the cycle).
It didn't seem like I really even needed a PCT. But, just to be on the safe side, I chose to run a simple PCT with 6oxoExtreme (which contains both resveratrol as a SERM, and 6oxo as an AI) for 24 days. I tapered very carefully from 8 pills/day for 3 days, to 7 pills/day for 3 days, to 6 pills/day for 3 days, etc, all the way down to 1 pill/day for 3 days.
Everything seemed to be going just fine - I only lost a few pounds, and my strength actually continued to climb slightly. I was looking great, until...
Approximately 2 weeks after I finished PCT, my right nip started to itch one day at work. Slightly concerned, I went to bed that night as a man, but woke up the next morning as a pubescent little school girl, complete with a single budding breast. It was quite painful, with a pea-size lump, that was lima bean size by the end of the day. (At that rate, I'd be double-D's by the end of the week, lol.) And I was lactating quite proficiently - I could nurse twins.
It would take me probably a week to get some Ralox/Letro, but I needed something immediately. So here's what I tried: a quick trip to Vitamin Shoppe for Novedex XT (ATD, a serious AI) and p5p (safer form of B6, for lactating, prolactin concerns); and Albertson's for some nicotine patches (nicotine is supposedly a decent AI, and can be applied topically, directly on my right nip).
After just 3 days, it seems to be working very well. I stopped lactating, the pain is gone, and the lump is already mostly gone. Whew.
I'm going to continue for a few weeks, tapering the ATD (and the nicotine pasties). Then I may go a few additional weeks back on the 6oxoExteme (tapering, of course). And I definitely haven't ruled out using some Ralox and/or Letro, but only if it's needed. I'm crossing my fingers.