[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

We can't really tell PERIOD. We don't know what is in ANY PH. That's why you should stick to the real deal. PA tested Methox-TRN and said there was something else(don't recall what exactly) in it than what the label claimed. Kilosports Trenadrol claims to be the exact same compound as M-TRN yet logs show TOTALLY different results, sides, etc. DS has a high rep for a reason and were the ones who OWNED the Superdrol compound because they were the first to ever release it. That IS the real deal. All we can say for sure is that since these clones have came out, the delayed gyno has become a big problem for many users. Such an issue never arose prior to the clones being available. I have heard from another source in the past that select clones were actually tainted with anadrol. It would make total sense for them to synthesize SD from anadrol as their chemical structure is VERY similar. I'm sure mullet can chime in here...

this is what is very sad. the end user going in blind. how the hell do you know what to use, if you dont know what your taking.

SOB's..........

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

now, no offense.........but

so says you.

PA doesnt seem to think so.......... but he may be talking 6oxo which is a weak AI>

im not pickin at you bass.........just sayin

i am leaning no AI. at least for 3-4 weeks. then maybe kick it in, then taper it back.

PA has his wallet in mind when he spews **** like that from his mouth.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

gotta throw a cog in there.......lol

It makes for interesting conversations.

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

now, no offense.........but

so says you.

PA doesnt seem to think so.......... but he may be talking 6oxo which is a weak AI>

im not pickin at you bass.........just sayin

i am leaning no AI. at least for 3-4 weeks. then maybe kick it in, then taper it back.

this is exactly what i recommended to you before, and you said; "an 8 week PCT for a 3 week cycle is ridiculous."

[Mulletsoldier]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

We can't really tell PERIOD. We don't know what is in ANY PH. That's why you should stick to the real deal. PA tested Methox-TRN and said there was something else(don't recall what exactly) in it than what the label claimed. Kilosports Trenadrol claims to be the exact same compound as M-TRN yet logs show TOTALLY different results, sides, etc. DS has a high rep for a reason and were the ones who OWNED the Superdrol compound because they were the first to ever release it. That IS the real deal. All we can say for sure is that since these clones have came out, the delayed gyno has become a big problem for many users. Such an issue never arose prior to the clones being available. I have heard from another source in the past that select clones were actually tainted with anadrol. It would make total sense for them to synthesize SD from anadrol as their chemical structure is VERY similar. I'm sure mullet can chime in here...

In terms of legitimate methylmasteron sources, parties at both Anabolic Xtreme and DS had confirmed in the past the raw source for each was one in the same; Anabolic Xtreme SuperDrol and Designer Supplements SuperDrol were the same compound, synthesized by the same source. Take that for what it is worth.

Chemistry is admittedly not my forte, but I believe it is easier to super saturate the Hydrogen from the 2nd carbon position on Anadrol to synthesize SD, than it is to add a methyl group at the 17th position to Masteron. A 'dirty' conversion in the former respect would produce instant watery gains, androgenic side effects, gynecomastia, and so on; in all respects, Masteron itself is a very mild, extremely anabolic compound which users report little to nothing in the way of common androgenic side effects. Technically, SD should perform much more akin to the latter than the former, but with many clones this does not seem to be the case.

Interestingly enough, the most reputable company currently producing designers - CEL - has come under fire for the relative 'weakness' of their M-DROL clone. I find this hilarious, as it has been confirmed their source material is one-in-the-same with the AX source material. It would seem individuals became accustomed to the effects, and reports made thereof, of these poorly synthesized clones, and did not recognize the effects of a subtle compound.

Anybody who is interested in this issue, search the archives for the original tester logs. Off the top of my head, B5150 and LeanOne both tested the compound. They reported very clean and maintainable gains, with very low occurrences of BP and lipid issues.

[bassgod272]

Yea I am aware of th DS/AX thing, I just mentioned DS because I thought that they came out with SD first? Maybe not, I wasn't in the PH game back then, so...As far as SD goes, I ran it once and escaped with zero issues, lol. So I will probably never use it again. I am not a big fan of the compound myself. I agree with you about CEL. I used their P-Plex with no problems. The ONLY product they had that was bunk, was the m1,4add. That was not even their fault.

[Ziquor]

Well stated Mullet. I always found it amusing too, how many of the M-Drol "non-responders" just finished their last M-Drol cycle 2 weeks prior - and wondered why they weren't seeing massive gains again. As if were literally a 'supplement'.

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

this is exactly what i recommended to you before, and you said; "an 8 week PCT for a 3 week cycle is ridiculous."

well in all fairness when i added it up, i think i recall 10-12 weeks. i still do have a hard time with pct being twice as long as the cycle. However, it seems this is the way it must be. I stand corrected.

wasnt it something like this....i suffer from CRS.

4 serm,
4 ai-up
4-ai-down, b6 or test booster or whatever it was.

your probably correct, though.

I didnt pick at PA's pct length. I was merely introducing it as an AI containing pct.

to be honest, ALOT of the pct's thrown around this thread look good. To say i would swear by any of them......Wont happen.

i am pleased to have this many experienced and intelligent guys interjecting their experiences and opinions on gynodrol and pct.

Props to bass, ziquor, mullet, OP, reverend and anyone else whom have shared in this thread.

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

well in all fairness when i added it up, i think i recall 10-12 weeks. i still do have a hard time with pct being twice as long as the cycle. However, it seems this is the way it must be. I stand corrected.

wasnt it something like this....i suffer from CRS.

4 serm,
4 ai-up
4-ai-down, b6 or test booster or whatever it was.

your probably correct, though.

I didnt pick at PA's pct length. I was merely introducing it as an AI containing pct.

to be honest, ALOT of the pct's thrown around this thread look good. To say i would swear by any of them......Wont happen.

i am pleased to have this many experienced and intelligent guys interjecting their experiences and opinions on gynodrol and pct.

Props to bass, ziquor, mullet, OP, reverend and anyone else whom have shared in this thread.

I say **** the SD and just run Epistane, havoc, etc Also, I said 4 weeks of the SERM then start the AI at high dose and taper it down for an additional 4 weeks. Also start the p-5-p out high and taper that down during the same time you are taking the SERM. Worked wonders for me. That's 8 weeks But yea, **** SD. I will never use it again. TEST FTW!!!

[BlackSheep]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

But yea, **** SD. I will never use it again. TEST FTW!!!

Your just saying that cause your on the sauce, ya junkie lol...
You know you liked da super

[bassgod272]

Originally Posted by BlackSheep

Your just saying that cause your on the sauce, ya junkie lol...
You know you liked da super

lol, that may be. I used it during the last portion of my phera/SD bridge, so I was shut da **** down hardcore. I felt like sh!t. I did gain an extra 5-6lbs from adding it in at the end, but I will PROBABLY never use it again. There, is that better? lol.

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

I say **** the SD and just run Epistane, havoc, etc Also, I said 4 weeks of the SERM then start the AI at high dose and taper it down for an additional 4 weeks. Also start the p-5-p out high and taper that down during the same time you are taking the SERM. Worked wonders for me. That's 8 weeks But yea, **** SD. I will never use it again. TEST FTW!!!

yeah im with you. the more i read about this prick, gynodrol and its bastard offspring, the more i think about throwing my stash in the trash.

i concur, test is best!

[2k2ser]

Originally Posted by bassgod272

I say **** the SD and just ru