[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

How would L-Tor work instead of Nolva? 90/60/60/30

Why do you choose DTH? Would Activate Xtreme work?

LX or Xlean I presume.

Liv 52

EFA's

Animal Pak on Training days....

whatcha think?

DTH was just an example. A nice Trib + ZMA combo has worked nicely for me in the past. As for EFA's no doubt. I didn't mention EFAs or the stuff I basically take daily like Amino's, Fish Oil, Flax, Protein, & a joint formula.

With S-Drol I'd probably run Liv.52 + Milk Thistle afterwards. Vitamin C dosed 2-4 grams daily works as a good cort blocker too. The Torem dose you have looks ideal IMO & it has some advantages over Nolva which's the basis of why it was created. Less toxicity, better lipid profile, etc.

[Ziquor]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Here's my take on superdrol. Keep in mind this from personal experience. Anytime an AI was used as part of PCT, there was a slight estrogen rebound. When a SERM only was used, PCT was flawless. No test boosters, no cort blockers. Only a SERM.

With Trib & ZMA it's unlikely they'd supress estrogen & create a rebound. But it never hurts to be on the safe side.

[Kristofer68SS]

thanks gentlemen for the responses.

I am not a fan of nolva.

The raves for L-tor have been off the hook..I have a bottle of that.

I have another question........Couldnt Clomid used for the serm instead of Tor or Nolva?

i know they have similiar yet different functions, but i really think clomid is a better choice for SD or PP...... Say like a 2 week blast. 100mg for 3 days, the 50mg for the duration to OTC PCT.

Then jump on my fav stack.

PCS
AX
LX
ZMA


The above is not cheap, but very effective. FO SHO!


Did i mention i like clomid?

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Ziquor

With Trib & ZMA it's unlikely they'd supress estrogen & create a rebound. But it never hurts to be on the safe side.

True. I just really like keeping it simple.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

thanks gentlemen for the responses.

I am not a fan of nolva.

The raves for L-tor have been off the hook..I have a bottle of that.

I have another question........Couldnt Clomid used for the serm instead of Tor or Nolva?

i know they have similiar yet different functions, but i really think clomid is a better choice for SD or PP...... Say like a 2 week blast. 100mg for 3 days, the 50mg for the duration to OTC PCT.

Then jump on my fav stack.

PCS
AX
LX
ZMA


The above is not cheap, but very effective. FO SHO!


Did i mention i like clomid?

I've used Toremefine before with good results. However, recent purchases proved to be bunk product so I went with a script for Nolva from my doc. Never went the Clomid route since Nolva has a higher affinity for binding with estrogen receptors in the breasts and less sides from what I hear. I may try it in the future though.

[papapumpsd]

Guys, let me throw this out there please. I have toremifene (homemade caps from bulk) and nolva tabs (Rx type, NOT homemade). How do you feel about running both, just at reduced dosages?

Why do this? The bulk Torem. MAY BE bunk.....I have no evidence of this, but just covering my bases. To take both Torem. and Tamox would be "insurance" so-to-speak if one of the products were bunk.

Ok? Yes/No
How would you dose if you said "Yes".

Thanks and excellent thread!!!!

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by papapumpsd

Guys, let me throw this out there please. I have toremifene (homemade caps from bulk) and nolva tabs (Rx type, NOT homemade). How do you feel about running both, just at reduced dosages?

Why do this? The bulk Torem. MAY BE bunk.....I have no evidence of this, but just covering my bases. To take both Torem. and Tamox would be "insurance" so-to-speak if one of the products were bunk.

Ok? Yes/No
How would you dose if you said "Yes".

Thanks and excellent thread!!!!

That's a tough one. Running two SERMS is overkill and I've never done it so I really won't be able to give you solid advice. If you have RX Nolva, why don't you just run that since there's no chance of it being bunk? Its not like Toremefine is that superior to Nolva anyways.

[papapumpsd]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

That's a tough one. Running two SERMS is overkill and I've never done it so I really won't be able to give you solid advice. If you have RX Nolva, why don't you just run that since there's no chance of it being bunk? Its not like Toremefine is that superior to Nolva anyways.

Well, the Nolva is "Rx" meaning it's in actual packaging. It's not derived from a Rx though. Know what I mean? *nudge, nudge*!

Also, I'm taking Epistane...I know that this is a Superdrol thread....sorry if I'm side-tracking it. It's just a very good thread

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by papapumpsd

Well, the Nolva is "Rx" meaning it's in actual packaging. It's not derived from a Rx though. Know what I mean? *nudge, nudge*!

Also, I'm taking Epistane...I know that this is a Superdrol thread....sorry if I'm side-tracking it. It's just a very good thread

Oh I'm aware of what you're getting at. I'm just disappointed more people don't look into that form of PCT. Its leaps and bounds better than the liquid crap.

I've used Epi in the past with decent results. I was stuck using bunk liquid Toremefine and my PCT was a disaster. I would assume that you would be fine with a SERM only PCT for that cycle, too. Perhaps you can even consider using a low dose AI after your 4 week PCT. I'd love to recommend Formestane but that hard to come by these days. Maybe 6-OXO or even the Extreme version. Too many damn choices.

[papapumpsd]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

Oh I'm aware of what you're getting at. I'm just disappointed more people don't look into that form of PCT. Its leaps and bounds better than the liquid crap.

I've used Epi in the past with decent results. I was stuck using bunk liquid Toremefine and my PCT was a disaster. I would assume that you would be fine with a SERM only PCT for that cycle, too. Perhaps you can even consider using a low dose AI after your 4 week PCT. I'd love to recommend Formestane but that hard to come by these days. Maybe 6-OXO or even the Extreme version. Too many damn choices.

Yes, I may run an AI after the SERM...dual-taper the AI. I used 6-oxo in the past with good results. I will prob. just use 6-ox if I use and AI after SERM. I also will use Diesel Test Hardcore along w/SERM.

BTW, I'll just use Torem and if I feel anything funny happening, I'll throw in some Nolva. Thanks for your help brutha!

-Papa!-

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by papapumpsd

Yes, I may run an AI after the SERM...dual-taper the AI. I used 6-oxo in the past with good results. I will prob. just use 6-ox if I use and AI after SERM. I also will use Diesel Test Hardcore along w/SERM.

BTW, I'll just use Torem and if I feel anything funny happening, I'll throw in some Nolva. Thanks for your help brutha!

-Papa!-

No problem man. Good luck with your recovery.

[Kristofer68SS]

Originally Posted by The_Reverend

I've used Toremefine before with good results. However, recent purchases proved to be bunk product so I went with a script for Nolva from my doc. Never went the Clomid route since Nolva has a higher affinity for binding with estrogen receptors in the breasts and less sides from what I hear. I may try it in the future though.

PM source of L-tor and date purchased please.

[2k2ser]

We have a couple different views on this.
1. SERM only, no AI
2. SERM and last week of PCT start AI (taper down)

Obviously run supp. supplements in addition to above. I'll probably be running SD in about 3 weeks. I'll keep reading up to see which opinion seems to be most popular/proven. Last thing I need is something popping up 5 months after a cycle.

[The_Reverend]

Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

PM source of L-tor and date purchased please.

No need for that.