idea for superdrol gyno rebound

**Kristofer68SS** · 05-23-2008, 03:39 PM

I would use clomid and liquidex........but thats me.

h3yhOwy0udOin · 05-23-2008, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by sonny4753

I'm understanding that Nolva is not recommended after a SD cycle. I forgot where I read it, but it has something to do with SD's chemical composition differing from other AAS, and therefore Clomid is ideal for SD.

Someone help me out, and correct me if I'm wrong.

Also does anyone have any thoughts on my previous post regarding someone doing an AI (6 OXO Extreme) as a PCT, realizing the screw up, then going to a SERM; would that be a double whammy? Or would it be possible to balance out one's body chemistry that way?

Because with all that estro rebound after the cycle and the AI wouldn't a SERM work by binding the free estro thus avoiding gyno etc?

Does this make sense???

SoOo should i be expecting something bad to happen if i take Nolva for my PCT? (because i'm taking it regardless, its already on the way and i can't afford to buy/wait for clomid)

Problem · 05-23-2008, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

i never stated that.......

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Originally Posted by Kristofer68SS

so how would this look

3-4 weeks SD/PP
4 weeks PCS by AI-bottle dosage
4 weeks 6oxoX, tapering down

**Kristofer68SS** · 05-23-2008, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Problem

i said how would this look

"so how would this look

3-4 weeks SD/PP
4 weeks PCS by AI-bottle dosage
4 weeks 6oxoX, tapering down"

I have alot of different pct protocols i could ask advice on.........

did you happen to see my serm pictured.......

those are just some of my arson............some.

I ask for pct advice for alot of different reasons,,,,,,,,the least of which is an actual cycle i would end up taking.......

**Kristofer68SS** · 05-23-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BigJoeski3

nolva for 6 weeks wouldn't be the best idea,as prolonged use of a serm leads to estrogen hypersensitivity, leading to delayed gyno (exactly what ur trying to avoid)

Patrick Arnold (knows his stuff) laid out a pct protocol for superdrol in an MD mag just a few issues ago,

Week 1,2,3 - a "good dose" of a serm (tamox)
Week 4 - serm, plus an AI
Week 5,6,7 - AI, plus a SHBG binding compound

I like this PCT, but wouldnt use nolva......I would use clomid instead.

sickamore08 · 05-24-2008, 04:35 PM

i just got off of sd yesterday i was on it for 4 weeks at 20 mg a day... i was told for my pct to use nolva and then on the third week start 6 oxo.

**Kristofer68SS** · 05-24-2008, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by sickamore08

i just got off of sd yesterday i was on it for 4 weeks at 20 mg a day... i was told for my pct to use nolva and then on the third week start 6 oxo.

yes i know........

some guys are just fine doing that pct.......while some guys are not............

Pay attention to your body, thats all i can say......

It seems there is no cookie cutter pct protocol that is 100% proven to work for superdrol...........

I still think clomid and liquidex is the safest, I am really liking the Patrick Arnold PCT listed above. I would use clomid instead of Nolva.

thats my 2 cents......

**Ziquor** · 05-24-2008, 06:42 PM

Nolvadex and Clomid are extremely similar but Nolva is stronger. I'd always use Nolva over Clomid. PA has GREAT chemistry knowledge but understand he pushes AI's alot because he profits a lot off them. Tamoxifen or Clomid are great after a cycle of Superdrol, Toremifene may be even better. Most of the delayed gyno issues came from those who used ATD during PCT. ATD (Inhibit-E) is what you need to stay away from after a cycle of Superdrol. It's NOT needed in a PCT of Superdrol and can cause serious issues (delayed gyno for one). It's overkill and causes too much estrogen suppression, thus creating severe estrogen rebound weeks later.

aquanutz · 05-24-2008, 06:48 PM

Just thought I'd chime in with my personal experiences with my last SD cycle. I ran a 3 weeker at 10mg ED. For PCT I ran stright Trans-Res from Swanson, AI PCS, I3C from swanson, and Alpha Drive. It's now been about 3 months since my pct ended (ran the pct for about 6 weeks. I know, twice as long as cycle but I wanted to be careful) and I have no rebound whatsoever.

I've also always had somewhat puffy nips ever since puberty and this has not aggravated it at all.

My second cycle of SD was about a little over a year ago, was 4 weeker stacked with 11OX. PCT was Torem and 6OXO. Same thing from this cycle too. No rebound but I had about the same gains as my latest 3 week SD solo cycle.

Sorry for the somewhat disconnected post, just got finished lifting and trying not to pass out...

**Kristofer68SS** · 05-24-2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aquanutz

Just thought I'd chime in with my personal experiences with my last SD cycle. I ran a 3 weeker at 10mg ED. For PCT I ran stright Trans-Res from Swanson, AI PCS, I3C from swanson, and Alpha Drive. It's now been about 3 months since my pct ended (ran the pct for about 6 weeks. I know, twice as long as cycle but I wanted to be careful) and I have no rebound whatsoever.

I've also always had somewhat puffy nips ever since puberty and this has not aggravated it at all.

My second cycle of SD was about a little over a year ago, was 4 weeker stacked with 11OX. PCT was Torem and 6OXO. Same thing from this cycle too. No rebound but I had about the same gains as my latest 3 week SD solo cycle.

Sorry for the somewhat disconnected post, just got finished lifting and trying not to pass out...

thank you for that post......... The more information on these cycles(with pct), the better..........

whats your age? bodyweight and BF%....estimated please.

h3yhOwy0udOin · 05-24-2008, 07:22 PM

Is it safe to run POST Cycle Support at the same time as Nolva after SD?

**Kristofer68SS** · 05-24-2008, 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by h3yhOwy0udOin

Is it safe to run POST Cycle Support at the same time as Nolva after SD?

good question.

**Ziquor** · 05-24-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by h3yhOwy0udOin

Is it safe to run POST Cycle Support at the same time as Nolva after SD?

Yes - definitely. One of the reasons it seems people had trouble with ATD after Super (M-Drol) is not many realize but ATD is an extremely potent AI. It crushes almost all estrogen - which can be really bad during PCT. Having a decent Estrogen level is critical to recovery plus helps avoid rebound causing delayed gyno. PA says an 80% to 20% Test to Estrogen ratio is ideal. But back to the original question - Resveratrol (PCS) is such an extremely weak AI plus the Horny goat weed helps your libido. I think that's a great combo personally. I'd NEVER use PCS for a standalone PCT product but it works GREAT with a SERM IMO.

h3yhOwy0udOin · 05-24-2008, 07:44 PM

Sounds good to me, thank god, because that's what i have lined up lol