sooner999
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Ok I am taking a 4 week havoc cycle, 20,20,30,30 (maybe 40).I have heard a SERM is always needed, i have also heard a SERM isn't needed. I have read that PCS by AI has SERM like factors built in specifically for havoc or epi like compunds. Some take only pcs others take a SERM, pcs and a non hormonal stack such as rebound xt. I just want to know what the final word is, what is needed/safe/smart for a 4 week havoc cycle with the dosages mentioned above. Thank you