[BigJoeski3]

I am thinking about doing 10 days of 1 cap per day and 10 days of 2 caps per day, then i can run the same cycle off the same bottle in 3-4 months, this should minimize sides, and maximize time on cycle so even though its not as potent, it still should give me decent gains.

I am running this for a cutting cycle btw, preferably two

[BigJoeski3]

Yeah well I figured sd, phera and fini are all non-aromatising, and reduce cortisol, basically they are perfect for a cutting cycle, even with reduced calories, if you eat clean calories, fat loss AND lean mass gain can be attained

As the recent Fat Attack article in MD said, "you are what your body does with what you eat"
On a cycle, more nutrients go to your muscles right? Hence the 'anabolic' part of AAS.

Anyways i decided on going on with a 25 day cycle of two caps per day. Cardio and weights 6/7 a week with clean maintenance level calories

[ezza]

Yes this is tru ...the biggest thing while cutting is avoiding catabolism..... so yes it will work... it won't be perfect though in my opinion when each compound is taken into consideration it probably works out as being very neutral for fat loss/gain.... so i think it will come down to your diet more than the d-drol... It will also be the worst one to combine in high doses with heavy cardio as well.... as your probably aware steroids can thicken the wall of your heart which is not good(and d-drol is basically 3 of the strongest ones readily available in my opinion)... combine this with heavy cardio and your even more likely to do harm.... it's your call but d-drol for cutting is definitely not perfect.. I'm not sayin your going to die or anything but there are always risks involved and in my opinion the whole idea is to manage risk... i just don't think you need 2 caps a day to lose weight....

[ezza]

Either way let us know how you progress. Im sure you will have success either way, d-drol is good stuff and your support sups and pct products look pretty good... just make sure you use them all propely and let everyone how you go!

[BigJoeski3]

Thanks I appreciate your input big time, and I will post my results


My saying cutting cycle may have been incorrect, my goal is to get leaner, not looking to lose weight really, but gain lean mass and hopefully lose weight. My diet has been strict and I plan on keeping it that way, so while I don't expect to get ripped, I am taking two caps a day to gain lean mass while keeping bodyfat in check with diet and doing carido, (which will be low intensity only), you see what I'm saying?, I said cutting cycle because I do not want to "bulk" anymore, 34 inch waist and a 52 jacket is enough bulk for me, its a pain in the ass already, on top of that I have to run like a mofo for my profession so I want to keep lean as hell.

What do you mean neutral for fat loss? (sorry, i just wanna know as much as possible before I start)

[ezza]

No worries champ, your definitely heading in the right direction anyway...
When i say it's neutral for fat loss i say that because when you look at the 3 compounds indivually (i'm no expert though )
super is supposed to be fairly neutral (lean muscle)
phera is supposed to be wet(bloat, water,fat muscle)
fini is supposed to be good for recomposition (gain muscle/lose fat)
Sooo this is why i said its not the best product when you could be using a single non methylated prohormone for a longer peroid of time that is actually geared towards recomposition.... again this doesn't mean d-drol won't work for recomp... it will and you will probably gain more muscle and strength aswell...

[BigJoeski3]

I see, I thought phera was suppose to be dry as well.

I have run epi, fini, 11oxo, and sd before, over the past few years
The only one that actually gave noticeable mass was sd, all of the rest were only good for recomp, for me at least

I am gonna do 1 cap for 10 days, 2 caps for 10 days, 6 week PCT, 2 month recovery, and run it again if all goes well

First day was today, took 1 cap this morning and hit the gym already, i have been on cycle support for 5 days already, looking forward to this cycle big time

[ezza]

Sounds good man your cycle lay out is very good you will love it especially when comparing it to things like 11oxo and epistane solo... and how did you like the fini on it's own???

[ezza]

WEEK 2 PCT
I seriously don't remember my balls being this large even before the cycle hahah! i'm so stoked with my results though it really did allow me to train like an animal and Im still reaping the rewards from my hard work too. I just did a proper 1 rep max for bench since i had a spotter.... and i have to say i was slightly freaked out bench is up 44lbs.

DOSAGE
Liqui nolva - 25-30mg
AI's- 2 Caps
multi- 1 massive tab
Liv 52 2 caps

[BigJoeski3]

fini was good, good muslce hardness and decent recomp, lots of energy, i liked it


I have had that too, balls seem larger during post cycle than ever before, i gues that means pct is working, good log bro

[ezza]

Originally Posted by BigJoeski3

fini was good, good muslce hardness and decent recomp, lots of energy, i liked it


I have had that too, balls seem larger during post cycle than ever before, i gues that means pct is working, good log bro

Yeah it feels like it's working bro ..... Do you think fini is worth grabbing while we can???
hey also i been looking into letro a fair bit lately and since your after a bit of recomp and already have an awesome stack have you considered running your letro at a very small dose say .5mg-1mg for the whole cyce and then tapering down through pct.... I've been reading up on letro and its supposed to be really good for pre contest prep or additions to cutting cycles to aid in hardening(obviously most of it relatest to aromatising steroids) but still when u think about estro related fat deposits it makes sense to kill as much estro as possible without too many of the negative sides from low or no estro. Don't take my word for it though it's worth looking into for yourself before adding it to your cycle..

[BigJoeski3]

I figure fini is ok, but the best compound for risk/benefit is epi, and I am pretty sure that isn't getting banned right? So basically, I am saying no, I would run epi instead.

I have thought about it, but I have read that it is good precontest when using aromatizable steroids, so i figure since sd pp and fini are nonarom, I will just stick to a taper down after nolva

[ezza]

FHAT THE WUCK!!!! haven't jumped on the scale since week 1 pct i'm now approaching the end of weeks 3 pct and it's telling me i'm up 22lbs either i need a new set of scales or i'm kicking ass hahha that is over a total of 12 weeks though .... broken down to 4 weeks of prior training(which was basically just conditioning), 5 weeks on cycle, 3 weeks pct.... i must add that his cycle was started after a fairly long off peroid in which i didn't have the best diet.

[BigJoeski3]

thats good ****, I would love gains like that if I was goin for mass, I was 251 today, and lookin even leaner, so i am happy

[ezza]

i'm pretty stoked! was expecting to lose a little weight in pct not gain it... still no where near 250lbs though good work!

[ezza]

someone obviously chose their parents well

[BigJoeski3]

Yeah I have pretty good genetics, my bro has only a couple more % bf and he is 265, 6'1" also

After this, I figure I am going to try and get down to 235, lean as hell, and then once i get 3 months or so after this pct, i will do a lean bulk again, but i hafta finish this one first


I am dropping cals a lil bit, see what that does, my arms, back, and legs have grown noticeable, well either grown or just become more visible from getting leaner, last time i had them measured at la fitness they were just shy of 18, after this cycle i wanna get them taped again